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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    Good, good. The Deus Ex storyline becomes reality more each passing day.
    Welcome comrade! Our numbers are growing and with Obama in power, there is nothing to stop us! Now, where is that moose and squirrel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadwix View Post
    You gotta tell me robin, you dont think its unfair that people get $5 a head (family like yours and his, kids dont get you the full $6) and your getting $80 when your paying for it?

    The key is to keep them from ever achieving success, a decent standard of living does just that. You have 43 presidential democratic votes if they live to be 70. There is no way for the democratic party to lose at this point with the overpopulation of immigrants now in the united states. 70% voted democrat and the numbers are only increasing. Sore loser or not this country is destined for bankruptcy due to the idiotic philosophy that higher taxes = higher returns. Works on paper but not in reality.
    Well the "devil is in the details," so to speak. I have little confidence in the proclamations from either side of the aisle. Because they both have many reasons to exaggerate and fabricate. I'm 41 years old and I've been quite wealthy as well as dirt poor. I've lived in condos and I've lived on the street. I've lived in various places, from Washington to Georgia and from Texas to Minnesota. The largess you and some others imply is somehow the norm? I've never witnessed.

    Now I have read and heard of people working the angles, so to speak, to maximize their benefits. Like min-maxers in a mumorpuger. I've also read and heard of folks who were outright engaged in fraud to get a lot more than they should have. However, I have seen people that the various safety net programs saved from not only a loss of nutrition and shelter. But also a loss of hope and lost potential for a better future.

    I've also learned what happens to regimes that do not care enough for their populace. Even the relatively minor percentage that may honestly delude themselves into thinking that they are inherently owed something, or believe everything is anyone's fault but their own, matters. We have learned, at great cost, what happens when we place ourselves to far above our fellow man. If we do not care about them. Then they will have little to no reason to care about us.

    If the price we must pay to help as many as we can with food, medicine, and hope, when they need it. Especially for the children. Is for those selfish enough to place themselves above their fellow man, sometimes taking advantage of it? Then that is a price I have, and will, continue to help pay. The world has changed and will continue too. As FDR once put it:
    Security was attained in the earlier days through the interdependence of members of families upon each other and of the families within a small community upon each other. The complexities of great communities and of organized industry make less real these simple means of security. Therefore, we are compelled to employ the active interest of the Nation as a whole through government in order to encourage a greater security for each individual who composes it... This seeking for a greater measure of welfare and happiness does not indicate a change in values. It is rather a return to values lost in the course of our economic development and expansion...
    So, it is less a matter of whether I think it is fair or not and more a matter of whether I think helping my fellow man is right or not. Does that answer your question?
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    Its not realistic and not going to happen. People that are signing the petition with hopes or beliefs that it will happen are naive. It is more symbolic. People are angry and are reaching out to the government to react in the most direct way they can, they want answers. It makes them feel like their voices are heard, no big deal.

    What is really sad is there are some very important issues being petitioned which will most likely be overshadowed by these.

    And as far as I know the biggest response to a petition given by the White House was about the White House brew recipe....yeah, really good job there guys.

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    However State Aid covers a lot of different things to include Hi-ways, Farm subsidies, and a large host of social programs. States like California can pay for them selves but many Red States need federal aid to pay for what they have. The point is that the Red states claim welfare costs the country too much but then take more money from the government than the blue states. It's the hypocrisy that people in the blue states are pointing out.[COLOR="red"]
    Thats a good point but in all fairness, from my experience, most blue states have higher local and sin (thinking NY and Cali here) taxes as well as toll roads, which most Red States do not have. Personally I view that as punishing their working class, mostly middle class population; especially toll roads. Think about it, who has to travel everyday? People getting back and forth to work? Same for taxes, those receiving "assistance" don't pay taxes on assisted goods like food, who does? Middle class working America right? Kinda Ironic, IMO which states are the Blue (for the working class) states and which ones are Red (for the top 2%); talk about hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chadwix View Post
    Says the guy who spends $10 on breakfast everyday :P

    Grokan aka wells, hola man, nice to see ya
    Still waiting on what you were going to say about me.

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    We Petition the Obama Administration To...require any musical arrangement with a cowbell instrument must increase the intensity of cowbell by at least 25%


    What do you guys think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazymack View Post
    We Petition the Obama Administration To...require any musical arrangement with a cowbell instrument must increase the intensity of cowbell by at least 25%


    What do you guys think?
    I was going to say we Petition the Obama Administration to make people have to apply for a license to be able to wear spandex in public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazymack View Post
    We Petition the Obama Administration To...require any musical arrangement with a cowbell instrument must increase the intensity of cowbell by at least 25%


    What do you guys think?
    Crazy liberal hippy! Next you'll probably want all the real tax paying Americans to pay for Obama to give cowbells to everyone! ROAR!

    /sarcasm.
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    If anybody is thinking of buying me a gift I would much rather they just donate that money to charity instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    Dude, he and wells have argued plenty of times. Each providing a hell of a lot more substance than you have.
    From what I've seen, this has been a fairly consistent pattern. Thankfully Obama winning seems to have taken some of the wind from him.
    “…the whole trouble lies here. In words, words. Each one of us has within him a whole world of things, each man of us his own special world. And how can we ever come to an understanding if I put in the words I utter the sense and value of things as I see them; while you who listen to me must inevitably translate them according to the conception of things each one of you has within himself. We think we understand each other, but we never really do.”
    XKCD is always relevant. Always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    I was going to say we Petition the Obama Administration to make people have to apply for a license to be able to wear spandex in public.
    o0 great idea, i have to admit i haven't real through all the pages yet of this thread and miss out on good ideas like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRobin View Post
    Well the "devil is in the details," so to speak. I have little confidence in the proclamations from either side of the aisle. Because they both have many reasons to exaggerate and fabricate. I'm 41 years old and I've been quite wealthy as well as dirt poor. I've lived in condos and I've lived on the street. I've lived in various places, from Washington to Georgia and from Texas to Minnesota. The largess you and some others imply is somehow the norm? I've never witnessed.

    Now I have read and heard of people working the angles, so to speak, to maximize their benefits. Like min-maxers in a mumorpuger. I've also read and heard of folks who were outright engaged in fraud to get a lot more than they should have. However, I have seen people that the various safety net programs saved from not only a loss of nutrition and shelter. But also a loss of hope and lost potential for a better future.

    I've also learned what happens to regimes that do not care enough for their populace. Even the relatively minor percentage that may honestly delude themselves into thinking that they are inherently owed something, or believe everything is anyone's fault but their own, matters. We have learned, at great cost, what happens when we place ourselves to far above our fellow man. If we do not care about them. Then they will have little to know reason to care about us.

    If the price we must pay to help as many as we can with food, medicine, and hope, when they need it. Especially for the children. Is for those selfish enough to place themselves above their fellow man, sometimes taking advantage of it? Then that is a price I have, and will, continue to help pay. The world has changed and will continue too. As FDR once put it:


    So, it is less a matter of whether I think it is fair or not and more a matter of whether I think helping my fellow man is right or not. Does that answer your question?
    Thank you for your reply, i considered you a troll at first but that was one heck of a post.

    Would you consider their benefits "excessive" considering they are eating better than your own family? Im not saying abolish them, im saying more restrictions that makes real money worth more than an ebt card when i get lunch.

    Honestly it just pisses me off that they get a free sub and i have to pay for mine. Id get double meat and cheese too if i could afford it
    Last edited by chadwix; 2012-11-15 at 04:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadwix View Post
    Thank you for your reply, i considered you a troll at first but that was one heck of a post.

    Would you consider their benefits "excessive" considering they are eating better than your own family? Im not saying abolish them, im saying more restrictions that makes real money worth more than an ebt card when i get lunch.

    Honestly it just pisses me off that they get a free sub and i have to pay for mine.
    Are they though? Really? Again, a claim does not automatically a truth make. Whether it is through the NY Times, or FOX News. Nor does a potential exploit mean it is a common one. I've known folks who qualified for aid but refused to apply. Thinking themselves above it or feeling it unneeded. Even some with children. I do not consider the benefits excessive. I consider the behavior, of those who misuse or abuse those benefits, to be excessive. Again, the answer is not bigger government or smaller government. The answer is better government.

    Are reforms needed? Of course they are. Just about anything can be improved. However, like with Obamacare, the alternative was to do pretty much nothing. Better an imperfect world than no world at all, so to speak.
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    When Republicans lose, Democrats cry. The complainers are called non-America, or non-patriotic.

    When Democrats win, Republicans cry. The complainers are called whiners. The difference is that the complainers call themselves patriots and say, naturally, the county is in immediate danger of falling apart.

    Get over it, Republicans. Obama won and your party's xenophobic race-baiting strategies don't work any longer. Sucks for you. Maybe you shouldn't be so insane and you'll get non-white-christian-older-men's votes.
    Last edited by KrazyK923; 2012-11-15 at 05:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyK923 View Post
    When Republicans lose, Democrats cry. The complainers are called non-America, or non-patriotic.

    When Democrats win, Republicans cry. The complainers are called whiners. The difference is that the complainers call themselves patriots and say, naturally, the county is in immediate danger of falling apart.

    Get over it, Republicans. Obama won and your party's xenophobic race-baiting strategies don't work any longer. Sucks for you. Maybe you shouldn't be so insane and you'll get non-white-christian-older-men's votes.
    So angry.

    "Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

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    Who is angry?

    I am finding the right-wing freak out fucking hilarious at the moment.

    Grove Norquist calling Romney a "poopy head" and Karl Rove throwing a hissy fit election night live on Faux News took the cake.

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    If they leave than they can take some of the debt that the entire world owes everyone. Let's see them survive after one month after separation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyK923 View Post
    Who is angry?

    I am finding the right-wing freak out fucking hilarious at the moment.

    Grove Norquist calling Romney a "poopy head" and Karl Rove throwing a hissy fit election night live on Faux News took the cake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleros View Post
    Democrats: Trollface
    Republicans: Rageface
    Implication that democrats are more interested in pissing off republicans than actually running the country well intended?

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    Shall I post a picture of where most slave traders' home ports were? Yeah, vast majority in New England.

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    Because kids can't learn Math without an iPad.
    Post all you want doesnt change history... south was for slavery and that poster is right. the majority of the states that are the most butt hurt are racial states.... not to say racism is not every where , but i was born and raised down south and the majority of these people are raised racist as hell. Some open but more of them are closet bigots because the world turned and its not PC to be racist anymore atleast not openly. Fact remain that they are pissed because a black mans in office. Where was the republican out cry over people "living off the government breast" during bushs term. Where was the major out cry over abortion as well. It was there just not nearly as loud. Put a black man in office and suddenly OMG ITS SCOCIALISM AND OPPRESSION OF RELIGIOUS RIGHTS AND HES FOR KILLING BABIES. BLAH BLAH BLAH. Fact remains <and a fact that most republicans refuse to admit> is that this ball and chain around america leg was put in place along time ago. Its just in the past 4 years that we really felt it , but what else can you expect when your former presidents running 2 wars, and spending on them like theres no tomorrow. Bush may not have made the mess on his own but he was the straw the broke the camels back figurativly speaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilSaihah View Post
    Implication that democrats are more interested in pissing off republicans than actually running the country well intended?
    Turnabout is fair play.
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