USA falling apart?

[vastx]

Strange. It seems that guns trumped. I may have napped through those parts of my history classes, though.

Ugh...that's what I meant. Just because the South failed doesn't make self-determination any less real. Case in point, the birth of the U.S...

[belfpala]

Ugh...that's what I meant. Just because the South failed doesn't make self-determination any less real. Case in point, the birth of the U.S...

Ahh, I misinterpreted. We agree.

I could declare my house and the surrounding property sovereign territory. If I had the ability to keep it that way, which I don't.

Political realism, or something.

[v2prwsmb45yhuq3wj23vpjk]

The struggle for American independence was just as unlawful.

If a people choose secession, they break all bonds, law included. Natural right trumps.

Actually, military would triumph. It's not like we won the Revolutionary War because the Brits were all "Oh, they have their natural rights." It was because we held out long enough and caused enough damage for them to go "Fuck this noise this isn't worth it".

The Declaration of Independence does carry within it, the spirit of secession. Read it again.

Remember, the constitution lays out our government and restricts the power it has. The reason the 10th amendment exists is because you can not enumerate all powers and rights given to people or the states. What if they forgot something, lol? Just because a right isn't in the constitution, doesn't mean it's not reserved for the people or states.

Declaring a secession and explaining why isn't broadcasting and promoting secession.

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Congress' job is to make the laws and represent the people.

The President is the actual head of government. To that end, it's his job, as chief executive, to lay out a budget for the branches of government. He then submits it to "the people" (Congress) for approval.

Congress gets a lot of control over the budget. They also need to pass it off after messing with it. You never get to place all the blame on the president unless it's something that goes straight to him without any other branch of government involved. I would say much of the blame for bills and budgets goes to Congress, especially considering that they can overturn a veto.

[Easo]

There is reason why there are only a few thousand crazies going on about "USA is falling apart".
Its not real.

[Dastreus]

Smoking pot is illegal too.... yet 2 states just passed laws.. your point is invalid.

and the federal government (at least the ones in charge of the failed "War on Drugs") is already threatening legal action against the states that legalized it.

[Sivick]

cry more republicans, cry out all your tears. they are delicious.

[Vampyrr]

Really? I dont think its illegal. States have the right to leave the US. Why wouldnt they? If Texas believes that its better for them to leave then they should. I as a resident of Virginia dont care, and wouldnt care if Virginia decided to leave.



What grounds the the US military have to attack Texas if it secedes?

The reason states wont secede has nothing to do with the US military, it has to do with not only a lot of laws that are going to have to change, as well as politicians at the top spots are not going to allow their own state to leave.

In a country that was founded on becoming independent it would be hypocritical to not let states secede.

Well if Texas secedes to be its own country the USA has the power to then attack it to acquire it just like any other territory. And the rest of the world would likely watch as its an internal thing.

[Sivick]

I think the civil war already has set the precident that states are not allowed to leave the union

[SirRobin]

Well if Texas secedes to be its own country the USA has the power to then attack it to acquire it just like any other territory. And the rest of the world would likely watch as its an internal thing.

I don't think we would have to bother. If I recall correctly, Texas had to make deep cuts to education to balance this budget and had to use billions of federal stimulus money to balance the last one. Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me. Now, how will they afford any significant defense spending? The cartels would have a field day if Texas was suddenly on its own.

This petition is nothing more than some sore losers showing again, why they lost in the first place. The fact that we're hearing secession nonsense from republicans just adds irony to the idiocy considering that they were the ones who kept states from staying seceded last time they tried it. The only ones this is fooling are the ones who want to be fooled.

[vastx]

I think the civil war already has set the precident that states are not allowed to leave the union

It just reinforced the notion that separation may require force...like most partitioning of nations throughout history.

Edit - If a people are successful and become independent, then previous law (questionable SCOTUS ruling) is irrelevant.

[Shinoashi]

You missed the memo - Romney didn't win.

But anyway - given at least 40% of every state voted for Obama and Romney, to say the US needs splitting would mean it needs splitting apart within each state.

this just in: our current president is worthless.

but to be perfectly fair; if romney were to be voted president, he would of been just the same on the level of worthlessness.

OT: a lot of people in texas complain. its nothing new. lets move along.

[Todgruppe]

I don't think we would have to bother. If I recall correctly, Texas had to make deep cuts to education to balance this budget and had to use billions of federal stimulus money to balance the last one. Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me. Now, how will they afford any significant defense spending? The cartels would have a field day if Texas was suddenly on its own.

This petition is nothing more than some sore losers showing again, why they lost in the first place. The fact that we're hearing secession nonsense from republicans just adds irony to the idiocy considering that they were the ones who kept states from staying seceded last time they tried it. The only ones this is fooling are the ones who want to be fooled.

Would have to say the cartels would actually get punched in the dick if Texas left. They would only go threw Zona/Cali/NM.

[gneugen]

Are you unfamiliar with the Civil War?

Shhh, they think the Civil War was about slavery.

[Grizzly Willy]

Smoking pot is illegal too.... yet 2 states just passed laws.. your point is invalid.

Texas would be quickly subdued by the rest of the American military.

[Obamatheone]

Can I sign a thing that kicks Texas out?

Haha, me too.

I am sick of their creationism as science, and pray away economic strategy.

[Shinoashi]

cry more republicans, cry out all your tears. they are delicious.

yes, because all of us republicans are crying over romneys loss.

newsflash: not all of us replublicans thought of him to be a good candidate for president. i think both he and obama are about the most worthless candidates/presidents in american history.

oh and btw, liberals are about the whiniest crybaby people on this forsaken planet.

just sayin....

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Haha, me too.

I am sick of their creationism as science, and pray away economic strategy.

while there are a lot of whiny people in texas/southern states, there are a lot of patriotic people that join our military branches out of the south. get rid of them and you get rid of a lot of our fighting force, that protect your rights and freedoms that allow you to post such idiocy....

[Keristrasza]

ye, but he's the only INFLUENCIAL force and he's brough US downhill even further than Bush did
you of all people should recognise that, you're a Ron Paul supporter

...Yeah he totally did all that, and he NEVER had any help from the republicans shooting down everything that was proposed because it didn't support their rich contributors. Nope, all Obama 100% his fault entirely. After all, he can totally force the house and senate to agree on everything he says.

PS: You can't do crap if your hands are tied and one Zealot group refuses to listen to reason because their heads are lodged up their ass. Just saying.

[Obamatheone]

yes, because all of us republicans are crying over romneys loss.

newsflash: not all of us replublicans thought of him to be a good candidate for president. i think both he and obama are about the most worthless candidates/presidents in american history.

oh and btw, liberals are about the whiniest crybaby people on this forsaken planet.

just sayin....

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while there are a lot of whiny people in texas/southern states, there are a lot of patriotic people that join our military branches out of the south. get rid of them and you get rid of a lot of our fighting force, that protect your rights and freedoms that allow you to post such idiocy....

So what? Our military is nothing but a govt corp welfare program... fuckem
I don't need protected from the Canadians and the Mexicans, we are amigos, along with everyone else in the world who has any sort of military that consists of more than some donkeys and AKs.

[amarristo]

If Texas was to leave, especially on poor relations, the States would collapse. The oil and gas industry that Texas has alone would cripple the US if it ceased to be Federally controlled. It would then be left upto Canada to supply the US with the majority of oil, but theres not enough pipelines or refineries in service that could handle that load and would set them back years before the demand could be met. Right now 90% of the oil/gas exported from Canada leaves the Hardisty terminal in Alberta and goes off to Texas.

[v2prwsmb45yhuq3wj23vpjk]

If Texas was to leave, especially on poor relations, the States would collapse. The oil and gas industry that Texas has alone would cripple the US if it ceased to be Federally controlled. It would then be left upto Canada to supply the US with the majority of oil, but theres not enough pipelines or refineries in service that could handle that load and would set them back years before the demand could be met. Right now 90% of the oil/gas exported from Canada leaves the Hardisty terminal in Alberta and goes off to Texas.

We have Alaska. It's also not like Texas doesn't also consume a lot of resources. Also, that pipeline has to go through other states before reaching Texas.

You vastly overestimate how important Texas is. The rest of the states would find a way.