USA falling apart?

**Reeve** · 2012-12-12, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Rommon64

My argument isn't that it's not getting crappy, but that it's never BEEN not crappy.

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it but we tried to fight it

**Rommon64** · 2012-12-12, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Reeve

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it but we tried to fight it

Basically, yeah.

**Beavis** · 2012-12-12, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Reeve

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it but we tried to fight it

Buncha Baby Boomer nonsense! They did start the fire!

**Stormspellz** · 2012-12-12, 07:45 PM

I would say yes, BUT while all great empires collapse even Rome's demise took longer then the united states existed let alone been a world power. The question is will people head history's warning, sadly with way things are going I vote no.

**Angrybathtub** · 2012-12-12, 07:45 PM

The whole world is falling apart, not just the USA.

**SirRobin** · 2012-12-12, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Jshadow

Sucks to live in the world which is ruled by greed and hatred.

Still surprised how my posz got +1k posts in about a week =P.

Considering that the petition thing has already petered out, and its still gone nowhere. I doubt you'll get that many posts this time.

**Gothicshark** · 2012-12-12, 08:11 PM

Gratz on Necro thread revival.

The USA is not falling apart, it is still young in it's own history, and as the world moves towards a Type 1 civilization America will be very much apart of the new global community.

As it sits America less and less like the empires of old and has become something very different than what can be described as Empire.

Sure it is a Global Super power with the largest military, and it and the UK has caused trade language of the world to be English,and it's products and inventions are used by most people of the world. As a nation and as a people it has almost no international motivations. So unlike Rome which always wanted to conquer the next people. America is not likely to fallow the path of Rome. Sure plenty of people Hate America, we see daily posts by a certain three posters expressing their hate of both Israel and the USA. But even these people use the Internet a computer with an operating system, they can read and write English (at times better than me). So is America failing as an idea as a people or as a nation? nope it is constantly reinventing itself and ever striving for a greater understanding of the idea of a Federal Republic.

**titan972** · 2012-12-12, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Gothicshark

Gratz on Necro thread revival.

The USA is not falling apart, it is still young in it's own history, and as the world moves towards a Type 1 civilization America will be very much apart of the new global community.

As it sits America less and less like the empires of old and has become something very different than what can be described as Empire.

Sure it is a Global Super power with the largest military, and it and the UK has caused trade language of the world to be English,and it's products and inventions are used by most people of the world. As a nation and as a people it has almost no international motivations. So unlike Rome which always wanted to conquer the next people. America is not likely to fallow the path of Rome. Sure plenty of people Hate America, we see daily posts by a certain three posters expressing their hate of both Israel and the USA. But even these people use the Internet a computer with an operating system, they can read and write English (at times better than me). So is America failing as an idea as a people or as a nation? nope it is constantly reinventing itself and ever striving for a greater understanding of the idea of a Federal Republic.

^^^I'd label this the post of the day...

**Oboloz** · 2012-12-13, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Didactic

Secession is illegal

10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, my friend.

**Nathiest** · 2012-12-13, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Didactic

Thoughts? Secession is illegal, and failed in 1860. This is crap brought to you by malcontent whiners and nothing more.

Ditto. Although I would had never used the word malcontent. Damn my American education.

**namelessone** · 2012-12-13, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by Zeek Daniels

Really? I dont think its illegal. States have the right to leave the US. Why wouldnt they? If Texas believes that its better for them to leave then they should. I as a resident of Virginia dont care, and wouldnt care if Virginia decided to leave.

What grounds the the US military have to attack Texas if it secedes?

The reason states wont secede has nothing to do with the US military, it has to do with not only a lot of laws that are going to have to change, as well as politicians at the top spots are not going to allow their own state to leave.

In a country that was founded on becoming independent it would be hypocritical to not let states secede.

You should seriously study the history of your country, it seems like you got a huge blank there the size of one of the biggest conflicts in US history.

**Chry** · 2012-12-13, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by Oboloz

10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, my friend.

Pretty sure SCOTUS ruled unilateral succession unconstitutional.

**Gothicshark** · 2012-12-13, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Oboloz

10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, my friend.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

This does not make Secession legal. The Supreme courts ruling on the matter made it clear why with Texas vs White

Chase, [Chief Justice], ruled in favor of Texas on the ground that the Confederate state government in Texas had no legal existence on the basis that the secession of Texas from the United States was illegal. The critical finding underpinning the ruling that Texas could not secede from the United States was that, following its admission to the United States in 1845, Texas had become part of "an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible states." In practical terms, this meant that Texas has never seceded from the United States

Basically the Preamble to the Constitution prevents Secession.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Once you are officially a State you are apart of 'a more perfect Union'

**Darkacid** · 2012-12-13, 01:55 AM

The USA isn't falling apart. People are just fed up with not having a real leader as president. Obama is only leader of his political party, not leader of the United States.

**Gothicshark** · 2012-12-13, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Darkacid

The USA isn't falling apart. People are just fed up with not having a real leader as president. Obama is only leader of his political party, not leader of the United States.

No he is the President of the United States of America, The Majority of Americans voted for him twice. The issue is that a small percentage of Americans have become so extreme in their hate and beliefs that they refuse to work with a black man, which is bad for the Republicans because this minority now controls the Republican Party.

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