Lawsuit over Authenticators

[Kujako]

Yep.

This is a pro law firm, they dotted the "i's" and crossed the "t's".

These law firms don't file unless it's worth their time. They have bigger fish to fry otherwise.

Name one of these "good" points.

[Eon Drache]

The article is very short. Taking 1 minute to read it would prevent a lot of the "It's free on smart phones" posts.

I don't know how so many people get hacked, because Blizzard locks my account just for signing onto their site on my laptop at work, which is only 100 yards from my house.

my isp has me logging in from L.A.. I live in central IL.

[Kevyne-Shandris]

Name one of these "good" points.

You name one of those "bad" points.

Just saying "no merit" means nothing. It surely had merit for a big law firm to waste their precious time filing this class action lawsuit.

[Kujako]

You name one of those "bad" points.

Just saying "no merit" means nothing. It surely had merit for a big law firm to waste their precious time filing this class action lawsuit.

The claims of profiteering. The claims that authenticators are required. Frankly, every single claim in the suit. You are the one saying that they had some good points. Well, what are they? The "well the layers would never sue for no reason, so it must be a valid claim" statement just wont fly, sorry.

[BenBos]

Blizzard can not be held responsible for the lack of internet security on your home PC.

Because it is not up to them to secure your PC.

It is clear cut and really worded very accurately in the Blizzard link above.

If you think otherwise: your extreme Blizzard hate (that is really irritating atm) is just taking over.



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[allianceTrade]

This is retarded. Not only do they sell them at cost (they make 0 profit on them), they offer free versions for anyone with a smart phone. This won't make it anywhere.

[Kevyne-Shandris]

The claims of profiteering. The claims that authenticators are required. Frankly, every single claim in the suit. You are the one saying that they had some good points. Well, what are they? The "well the layers would never sue for no reason, so it must be a valid claim" statement just wont fly, sorry.

And what is your expertise on this subject, again?

[BenBos]

This is retarded. Not only do they sell them at cost (they make 0 profit on them), they offer free versions for anyone with a smart phone. This won't make it anywhere.

it is far more simpler/

No company can be responsible for the lack of security on your PC.

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And what is your expertise on this subject, again?

You don't have ANY expertise either.

The basic is still common sense.

[Kujako]

And what is your expertise on this subject, again?

I've worked in computer security for a long time and have looked into Vasco Digipas as an alternative to RSA authentication tokens. The Vasco price list is not secret information. Blizzard is selling the devices at or close to cost. So no profiteering. And are you really claiming that an authenticator is required? Because a lot of people manage just fine without one.

Again, YOU are claiming they made some good points. What are they? Just name one.

[Seranthor]

Account security is not only our responsibility.

I have to disagree, if you are mindful of your own security then it doesn't matter what Blizzard does... in the end its the user who is the sole guardian of their security. Blizzard hands out free because truthfully, most folks have no idea how to or are just flat unwilling to be careful about their account security, and Blizzard finds giving away free to be less expensive and time consuming than dealing with the thousands of folks that are careless with their information.

I agree 110% with spambanjo on this.

[Howard Moon]

You didn't search too well:

Class Action Lawsuit against Blizzard.

Other thread got closed because Internet turns people into dicks.

Anyway, like others have said: you are responsible for your own PC's security.

[Seranthor]

You name one of those "bad" points.

Just saying "no merit" means nothing. It surely had merit for a big law firm to waste their precious time filing this class action lawsuit.

read the filing, its full of 1/2 truths and flat disinformation, for the size of the law firm handling this case they failed to do their case prep.

[Dedweight]

I like how in the Joystiq article that the Law Firm supposedly claims we are required to have Authenticators. They're obviously not a requirement to play or else they would have included it in the package, sure they recommend that you have one but no where in the account creation process does it prevent you from creating one and attaching game key because you don't have one.

[Seranthor]

http://www.carneywilliams.com/contactus/

Here is the firm suing Blizzard... I for one have used their contact page to share with them the fact I've never been 'Forced' to use an authenticator as their suit claims. While I have issues with Blizzard, the dishonest information in the suit needs to be met with the facts loudly and clearly.

[fizzbob]

http://www.carneywilliams.com/contactus/

Here is the firm suing Blizzard... I for one have used their contact page to share with them the fact I've never been 'Forced' to use an authenticator as their suit claims. While I have issues with Blizzard, the dishonest information in the suit needs to be met with the facts loudly and clearly.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboi

read that and i'm not bashing you, i'm pointing out a flaw you have as a human being

it is not your right, your burden, your anything, to defend a company that would eat you and shit you out if presented with the opportunity. blizz would tell you the same thing, they CHARGE YOU to ACCESS their game. you own nothing associated with wow, you can't even play your character if they choose to disallow you that PRIVILEGE

they have corporate lawyers who deal with this stuff, they don't need irrational, uneducated fans to do it for them so just stop.

this is just ridiculous. blizz is profiting off their poor security and win, lose or draw us CUSTOMERS only stand to gain from this, we have no chance of losing anything

---------- Post added 2012-11-12 at 06:43 PM ----------

I have to disagree, if you are mindful of your own security then it doesn't matter what Blizzard does... in the end its the user who is the sole guardian of their security. Blizzard hands out free because truthfully, most folks have no idea how to or are just flat unwilling to be careful about their account security, and Blizzard finds giving away free to be less expensive and time consuming than dealing with the thousands of folks that are careless with their information.

I agree 110% with spambanjo on this.

an employee sold your account info to gold sellers. he was fired and a fraud specialist was hired to deal with this situation. that's when people started getting hacked on a daily basis and they started SELLING authenticators

that had nothing to do with the people who pay to play wow, it had to do with blizzard's poor security in their own building

[Wildtree]

Other thread got closed because Internet turns people into dicks.

Anyway, like others have said: you are responsible for your own PC's security.

And that is only in parts correct...
Key example Online Banking.. It is the banks responsibility to shield anything you enter on their website from misuse. They have to protect you from harm.
You are on their site. In their house if you will...
They are not responsible if you screw up on your own end.
So. No. the answer just isn't that easy.

Reading the thing makes the case pretty clear..
There's a company offering a product, to be used over the internet. Customer buys it, for amount X.
Once they got it, and in the process of getting set and ready to go, customer finds out that company X tells them, hey.... Using this product is kind of dangerous, and you are vulnerable. In order to prevent that, here, we sell you this product.

In our case it's WoW, and the "upsale" is the authenticator.

But there are authenticator apps for free....
Nope, that card doesn't trump. Not everyone has a smart phone. And therefore it's an invalid offer, not satisfying.
Besides the issue that those were compromised before, hence they are apparently not safe after all.
Additionally, also as stated and as we all know, there was a significant breach into the system just recently when we all were asked to change some of our information such as passwords.
Is Blizzard doing everything on their end? I don't know, but that much I do know. There is no real and valid reason why they can't use HTTPS protocols instead of the plain extremely vulnerable HTTP.

I got my authenticator for a long time already. I don't have a problem really. And I understand how someone tries to tackle the issue with what we call "common sense". So i can see how someone thinks it's ridiculous to go to court over this.
I can however also see, that someone is trying to make a point, and probably has a chance that a court will decide that Blizzard just has to do some more to protect their customers from harm.
One thing we cannot do, and that is to judge everything with the eyes and knowledge of a somewhat computer savvy customer and user.
You have to approach it from the other direction. The uninformed customer who got a computer just a few weeks ago or so. Someone who just does not know their way around a computer at all just yet. For them, they have pretty much no idea what danger there is against their data, and how to protect it.
And I am pretty sure, the court will see that likely with the same approach.

[Kujako]

blizz is profiting off their poor security and win, lose or draw us CUSTOMERS only stand to gain from this, we have no chance of losing anything

Right... but you seem to think they need irrational, uneducated detractors for some reason.

Lets say the idiots win and Blizzard is somehow responsable for our computers security. That is an impossible position, they simply cant do it, so they will shut down as will all online services. That seems bad to me.

[fizzbob]

Blizzard takes a loos on every physical one shipped. It costs more than $6.95 per unit they only charge you for shipping. As for packaging them in the box, I would love for that to happen but that is just a waste of money IMO thousands upon thousands of unsold boxes sitting on shelves. Shell out $7 bucks if you don't/can't go mobile or buy some real quality security software that searches for behavior as well as definitions. Also stop with the porn.

blizzard buys these tokens for 12 cents, ships for $1.50 each and profits nearly $5 on every token

they wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire if it wasn't profitable. you can't become what they have if you aren't 100% focused on monetizing EVERYTHING

[Xeraxis]

Yep.

This is a pro law firm, they dotted the "i's" and crossed the "t's".

These law firms don't file unless it's worth their time. They have bigger fish to fry otherwise.

No these law firms are the equivalent of spinning in circles while trying to throw darts. You throw enough and eventually one will hit the bullseye.

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blizzard buys these tokens for 12 cents, ships for $1.50 each and profits nearly $5 on every token

they wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire if it wasn't profitable. you can't become what they have if you aren't 100% focused on monetizing EVERYTHING

You keep spouting that nonsense in every thread that has to do with authenticators yet you never seem to have any proof.

[fizzbob]

Right... but you seem to think they need irrational, uneducated detractors for some reason.

Lets say the idiots win and Blizzard is somehow responsable for our computers security. That is an impossible position, they simply cant do it, so they will shut down as will all online services. That seems bad to me.

lol, completely fucking ridiculous. put that strawman away and stick to the topic which is blizzard shouldn't sell security to people already paying for a service. they do not give a fuck about you and to prove it, stop paying for wow and see if they let you log on. they'll charge you for whatever they can get you to pay for.

you should be happy someone is trying to get you more for your money.

---------- Post added 2012-11-12 at 06:52 PM ----------

No these law firms are the equivalent of spinning in circles while trying to throw darts. You throw enough and eventually one will hit the bullseye.

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You keep spouting that nonsense in every thread that has to do with authenticators yet you never seem to have any proof.

everyone who has been to daeity's site saw the proof, saw the invoices, and saw one of the MMOC moderators get shredded by him in the process when he said the same ignorant shit a lot of you guys do

like i said, try to NOT give blizz $15 a month and log on. how much you getting for nothing in this game? you can't even log the fuck in if you don't pay them lol

they love you so much they tell you to get lost when you stop giving them your money. welcome to real life kids, it isn't free

---------- Post added 2012-11-12 at 06:53 PM ----------

if ANY of you think blizz gives a shit about you, stop paying and try to log in after your sub is up. that's how valuable you are. you're a customer as long as you're paying then you're nothing.