Paragon 10man WorldFirst Grand Empress Shek'zeer

[Feluna]

They just killed him.

Congraz to them

http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/...-blade/Paragon

[Deleted]

Blood legion's reign didn't last very long

[juzalol]

Gz to them as no other guild is even at 5/6 in 10mans.

[Demetrion]

Gz to them as no other guild is even at 5/6 in 10mans.

And they say 10 man is easier...

[Okacz]

Blood legion's reign didn't last very long

Well, practically it still lasts, Blood Legion is still on the first place.

Anyway, congratulations, Paragon! I hope you get some competition soon so you would have more of a thrill on 10man arena

By the way, wave of "GG Paragon, 10 mans suck and so do you lolz" posts incoming

[Deleted]

Well, practically it still lasts, Blood Legion is still on the first place.

actually paragon is now 1st

[Dazzy]

Well, practically it still lasts, Blood Legion is still on the first place.

Anyway, congratulations, Paragon! I hope you get some competition soon so you would have more of a thrill on 10man arena

By the way, wave of "GG Paragon, 10 mans suck and so do you lolz" posts incoming

Well honestly what do you expect, every single 25 man raider on the planet including paragon for years and years have argued that 25 is on a completely different level than 10 mans. There's been thread after thread every new tier that comes out.

Paragon switches to 10 mans and gets a world first - "10 mans are much harder this tier, for all the reasons all the 10 man raiders said for the last 6 years"

That's the very definition of fanboi-ism, especially when backed with no facts. 25's are still harder for the same reasons we've heard for over half a decade,

[Temp name]

Paragon did it in less time than Blood Legion, which means Paragon now actually has World first.. Or maybe I'm just being nitpicky.

[juzalol]

Well, practically it still lasts, Blood Legion is still on the first place.

Anyway, congratulations, Paragon! I hope you get some competition soon so you would have more of a thrill on 10man arena

By the way, wave of "GG Paragon, 10 mans suck and so do you lolz" posts incoming

Paragon is 1st (at least at WoWprogress)

And anyone who posts that 10 mans suck and are easy etc. are just not very smart.
I mean cmon, top 20 guilds there are 17x 25mans and 3x 10mans.

Surely there is more "competition" and focus on the 25man department but still 17v3
is kinda extreme.

[Kittahsmash]

Paragon did it in less time than Blood Legion, which means Paragon now actually has World first.. Or maybe I'm just being nitpicky.

No, you're somewhat correct. BL took a few days longer to down Heroic Will, so they lost some 'points' for that on wowprogress's site. BL did get the first kill on GE, but because Paragon killed it the same day as them, they don't lose any points.

[Deleted]

Paragon is 1st (at least at WoWprogress)

And anyone who posts that 10 mans suck and are easy etc. are just not very smart.
I mean cmon, top 20 guilds there are 17x 25mans and 3x 10mans.

Surely there is more "competition" and focus on the 25man department but still 17v3
is kinda extreme.

that indicate how incopitent are the ppl that play on 10 man raids and that its indeed the easy solution

[Temp name]

No, you're somewhat correct. BL took a few days longer to down Heroic Will, so they lost some 'points' for that on wowprogress's site. BL did get the first kill on GE, but because Paragon killed it the same day as them, they don't lose any points.

That is indeed correct, but on the clock BL still did it first, even if they did technicly take longer to kill the boss.

[salamala]

Are 10 and 25 mans tracked differently for world first - or is ther 1 world first, regardless of raid size?

[Deleted]

Well honestly what do you expect, every single 25 man raider on the planet including paragon for years and years have argued that 25 is on a completely different level than 10 mans. There's been thread after thread every new tier that comes out.

Paragon switches to 10 mans and gets a world first - "10 mans are much harder this tier, for all the reasons all the 10 man raiders said for the last 6 years"

That's the very definition of fanboi-ism, especially when backed with no facts. 25's are still harder for the same reasons we've heard for over half a decade,

10man vs 25man debate have only existed since Cataclysm. And it's always been judged on encounter basis, not a complete generalization. But since 10mans in Cataclysm were always compensated for "lack of buffs", it's mostly true that DPS checks (which, besides strategy planning, gives the biggest blocks for top guilds) were much easier in 10man. But now that every raid is expected to have full buffs, there's no such thing as compensation, and it is therefore much harder to judge which is the hardest format for every encounter.

[Coldpro]

And they say 10 man is easier...

Ever consider that other 10 man guilds just aren't as good?

OT: Big gratz to Paragon

[scadouche]

http://www.wowprogress.com/rating.tier14_25

http://www.wowprogress.com/rating.tier14_10

Both are number 1.

[Deleted]

that indicate how incopitent are the ppl that play on 10 man raids and that its indeed the easy solution

Incompetent, yet world first. 'Cus fuck logic.

[Monolith of Mazes]

Wowprogress still lists it as a World Second kill... which it -is-. They are, however, -ranked- world 1 because of the bonus.

[Azrile]

Paragon did it in less time than Blood Legion, which means Paragon now actually has World first.. Or maybe I'm just being nitpicky.

Yes, but for 6 years Paragon was telling us that 10M was significantly easier and should not be compared. Congratulations Paragon, you won the little league world series!!!

[Feluna]

The endless discussion

The overall World First kill of Grand Empress Shek'zeer goes to Blood Legion. They also got the World First 25man kill with that.
The overall World Second kill of Grand Empress Shek'zeer goes to Paragon. And they also got the World First 10man kill with that.

I also think that we should stop to compare 10/25man raiding. It has its differences and should be treated different.