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  1. #201
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    I'm going to wait and see it all for myself once it goes live, but I have a feeling lots of people will stop playing after this news. There is a lot of disappointment from what I'm reading. I just hope this doesn't reflect badly on the game (which at the moment is doing). Anet really is bad at communication in my opinion and this was handled really lame on their part. But like I said, I will wait and check it all out for myself before saying anything!

  2. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by Barbas View Post
    For now.

    "Eventually, you’ll be able to kit yourself out with a full set of Ascended gear and high end Infusions to help give you the edge in end game content."
    If your doing end game content aka this new dungeon you will get that gear. If your not doing the dungeon you wont. You also wont need the gear outside of this "end game" dungeon. Btw every other dungeon in the game is also a "endgame" dungeon, they are just designed with and ending while this new one is not.

    You wont need the gear to start doing the dungeon, you may not even notice the agony debuff intil your 4, 5, 6 or 10 runs in. Its really nothing to worry about.

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    We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.
    From June 19th 2012:
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    Last edited by Elekial; 2012-11-13 at 01:41 PM.

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    i feel people don't understand how a gear treadmill works and that is why they are complaining. a treadmill would imply you need gear from dungeon A to stand a chance in dungeon B. this gear just helps you stand a chance again harder versions of the same dungeon and infusion slots accomplish this without the need to give a huge stat boost. outside of that one dungeon ascended gear won't give you a huge edge in other content.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeek Daniels View Post
    If your doing end game content aka this new dungeon you will get that gear. If your not doing the dungeon you wont. You also wont need the gear outside of this "end game" dungeon.
    This is exactly the same for any other mmo with a gear treadmill. You don't need the gear to do any of the open world content, but for raiding and dungeons you do.

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Elekial View Post
    This is exactly the same for any other mmo with a gear treadmill. You don't need the gear to do any of the open world content, but for raiding and dungeons you do.
    accept you dont need the gear to do the new dungeon at its lowest level. You only want the gear if your going to progress to its highest difficulty. You still get to do the content if you dont have the gear. This is not true of a Gear treadmill game which requires you obtain the gear first to do the content.

    Quote Originally Posted by everydaygamer View Post
    i feel people don't understand how a gear treadmill works and that is why they are complaining. a treadmill would imply you need gear from dungeon A to stand a chance in dungeon B. this gear just helps you stand a chance again harder versions of the same dungeon and infusion slots accomplish this without the need to give a huge stat boost. outside of that one dungeon ascended gear won't give you a huge edge in other content.
    This guy gets it. Its the same dungeon guys just a higher difficulty. You dont need the gear to do the lower difficulty versions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeek Daniels View Post
    If your doing end game content aka this new dungeon you will get that gear. If your not doing the dungeon you wont. You also wont need the gear outside of this "end game" dungeon. Btw every other dungeon in the game is also a "endgame" dungeon, they are just designed with and ending while this new one is not.

    You wont need the gear to start doing the dungeon, you may not even notice the agony debuff intil your 4, 5, 6 or 10 runs in. Its really nothing to worry

    about.
    So they're basically doing what every other major mmos do, ya not the reason I play guild wars your quote is pointless just as much as arena net's philosophy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeek Daniels View Post
    accept you dont need the gear to do the new dungeon at its lowest level. You only want the gear if your going to progress to its highest difficulty. You still get to do the content if you dont have the gear. This is not true of a Gear treadmill game which requires you obtain the gear first to do the content.
    And when a new WoW expansion launches you don't need raid gear to kill the first bosses on normal mode either, the gearchecks come later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elekial View Post
    I think we have a winner!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elekial View Post
    And when a new WoW expansion launches you don't need raid gear to kill the first bosses on normal mode either, the gearchecks come later.
    you do need to first get heroic dungeon gear how ever, that is the gear check. You cant go into a raid with full greens and expect to kill anything. You cannot see the content as a fresh level 90 with all greens and a few blues and expect to go 5/5 or 10/10 in any raid.

    In GW2 as a fresh level 80 you can expect to be a dungeon master if you really want to. And this new dungeon is no different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daffkeeks View Post
    but maybe exotic wasn't ment to be the 'end' set. maybe this is.

    ---------- Post added 2012-11-13 at 01:34 PM ----------

    they're also gonna add Legendary gear if I remember correctly, though that will probably work the same as with weapons; same stats just fancy lookin'
    Pretty much this... i remember them saying in an interview that exotics would be best "at launch" gear, and i like how people are flipping tables and screaming about how those 2 rings with that 3 stat difference are only available in that one instance so OH GOD!! NOW SOMEONE CAN OUTGEAR ME IN PVP HURHURDUR!!

    I'm going to just wait and see where this goes... and jesus people calm your tits, there will without a doubt be a crafting recipie for jewelers later, the whole ascension gear is likely only in this dungeon FOR NOW.

    ---------- Post added 2012-11-13 at 08:59 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeek Daniels View Post
    you do need to first get heroic dungeon gear how ever, that is the gear check. You cant go into a raid with full greens and expect to kill anything. You cannot see the content as a fresh level 90 with all greens and a few blues and expect to go 5/5 or 10/10 in any raid.

    In GW2 as a fresh level 80 you can expect to be a dungeon master if you really want to. And this new dungeon is no different.
    In GW2 you can complete explo mode dungeons wearing lv 16 rares because items of your weight level never dropped!! YAY RANDOM DROPS!!
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    Youre in the mmo forums and you find mmos boring, Im heading on over to the twilight forums to add my unecessary and shallow 2 cents.

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    People keep talking about the raw stat differences, but it seems that the even bigger issue - resist gear - is being missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    People keep talking about the raw stat differences, but it seems that the even bigger issue - resist gear - is being missed.
    That's not a big deal... If you come charging me in fully pimped out ascension gear (with all infusion) in pvp I'm gonna still drop you like a rock cause I don't have agony as a condition, I mean fuck, no player does!! The only area this resistance will do ANYTHING is in harder difficulties of THE SAME DUNGEON YOU GOT IT IN. I fail to see how any of this is a problem...
    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    Youre in the mmo forums and you find mmos boring, Im heading on over to the twilight forums to add my unecessary and shallow 2 cents.

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    That's not a big deal... If you come charging me in fully pimped out ascension gear (with all infusion) in pvp I'm gonna still drop you like a rock cause I don't have agony as a condition, I mean fuck, no player does!! The only area this resistance will do ANYTHING is in harder difficulties of THE SAME DUNGEON YOU GOT IT IN. I fail to see how any of this is a problem...
    Who said anything about PvP? /boggle

    The whole "same dungeon you got it in" thing still isn't relevant, either. Not sure why people keep acting like it just makes it all ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    Who said anything about PvP? /boggle

    The whole "same dungeon you got it in" thing still isn't relevant, either. Not sure why people keep acting like it just makes it all ok.
    Bovinity, you've been bashing the game since before it ever even launched, working every thread like it's a job or something.

    You are irrelevant.
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    Did...you just reply with "no u r"?

    I have to admit, I'm pretty amused!

    So, anyway. The topic at hand. No one said that farming Shadow Resist gear was any fun just because the patterns dropped in Black Temple and the only boss that it mattered on was in Black Temple. "It's just for this one instance" isn't a pass for that kind of gear based gating system, and that's assuming it even is JUST for this one dungeon and not something they're going to keep on as a model for other dungeons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durzlla View Post
    Pretty much this... i remember them saying in an interview that exotics would be best "at launch" gear, and i like how people are flipping tables and screaming about how those 2 rings with that 3 stat difference are only available in that one instance so OH GOD!! NOW SOMEONE CAN OUTGEAR ME IN PVP HURHURDUR!!

    I'm going to just wait and see where this goes... and jesus people calm your tits, there will without a doubt be a crafting recipie for jewelers later, the whole ascension gear is likely only in this dungeon FOR NOW.

    ---------- Post added 2012-11-13 at 08:59 AM ----------



    In GW2 you can complete explo mode dungeons wearing lv 16 rares because items of your weight level never dropped!! YAY RANDOM DROPS!!
    I'm more concerned with the agony system. I hope it's not an excuse to make the boss encounters the same as we have now in exploreables. I don't even do explorables anymore the fights are just awful and trash is harder.

  18. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by Elekial View Post
    From June 19th 2012:
    We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.
    http://www.arena.net/blog/is-it-fun-...asures-success
    Glad someone else found that, this is pretty much how I feel too.


    And the official forums have me scratching my fucking head at this. "ITS ONLY 10 STATS" "ITS ONLY TWO SLOTS RIGHT NOW"... I just, I don't get it. Of course, the only response from ANet is a swift automated forum lock.
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  19. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by Corros View Post
    ehm....just play the game but don't buy gems in the shop? The beauty of GW2 is, you can play the game without really helping the developers. Well, beauty might be the wrong term...
    But I like costumes in the gem store, and what about expansions then? Should I just stay behind? Not being able to go to new content?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zito View Post
    I'm more concerned with the agony system. I hope it's not an excuse to make the boss encounters the same as we have now in exploreables. I don't even do explorables anymore the fights are just awful and trash is harder.
    They seem to be campaigning that it's all of their learned things about explos rolled into one dungeon, and it seems agony will only plague us on the higher difficulty levels, so I have a feeling agony is just to gate us from the stupid hard encounter difficulties and create an illusionary carrot for people who like to chase those things.
    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    Youre in the mmo forums and you find mmos boring, Im heading on over to the twilight forums to add my unecessary and shallow 2 cents.

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