That's an interesting point about the gear funneling.
However, I do remember Vodka running 3 25 mans at the start of this expac to gear their core 25 for raid. Maybe every guild is doing something similar?
The source of this numbers was the arsenal. Right now they are above that numbers already. Those numbers were present when HoF hc just released, so only gear from MSV+MSV hc and HoF normal.
There also was a thread with specific numbers just before HoF hc released I think, I double checked numbers with their current raiders back then and realized how unbalanced progress was going to be @ 10 man.
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Maybe it is this way, maybe paragon just got very lucky with loots overall (3 more ilvl for whole raid is like 3 items more per player/30 items overall which seems a little off for just "luck"). I know that most hardcore 25 mans do this strategy, but they don't gear 10 people, they gear 25 - FOR 25 man mode, so it kinda is "okay". You have more time/ressources? Please, take more gear, won't say anything against that.
But as a 10 man you should only play 10 man, not have 15 slaves that go with you equipping 10 of 25 people, maybe even several times because I don't think they only have a 10 people player pool. It just is unfair for the overall competition when it comes to 10 man. They are outgearing everyone else by a hurge margin.
So overall they got it easier than even ALL 25 mans - GEARWISE, not going to start 10v25 again.
Why is this topic such a big deal? >_________>
I'd still like to see the actual proof for Paragon's gear funneling.
And yeah, Method, too, ran at least 3 25man groups.
cthe answer is pretty obvious, isn't it?
I'M FROM EUROPE AND 25M IS HARDER, GO METHOD.
I'M FROM EUROPE, 10M IS HARDER. GO PARAGON!
I'M FROM US, GO BLOOD LEGION!
You say "One kill doesn't make them the best". hello? "the best" isn't a constant in this game or any game of competition, there is always someone who is the best and eventually not the best, then maybe the best again.
my answer is honestly, I don't care but any guild that says HC raiding is similar to learning how to play a violin or an actual sport in the real world is obviously delusional, and I wouldn't be a part of a guild with a giant tool for a RL like BL.
Guilds never change rosters or what they focus on, they are simply names with no faces all controlled by robots.
O wait haha.
Do you ever wonder why different sports teams win Championships or Super Bowls ect? The roster changes, focus changes. Don't read too much into names.
Ensidia had a lot of world firsts for many many tiers how come we stopped talking about them in cataclysm?
They had 35 toons ranked for full clear MsV. 10 of them with one day's worth higher points than the other 25 toons in MsV normal last day before reset.
They were ranked 48th 25 ppl raid in the world the last day before heroic MsV was available.
I am not saying this is bad.
In fact i am saying that since 25s are doing it for years, ever since normal and heroic mode was introduced, 10 man that want to see 10/25 race as one race and "beat 25s" (it isnt one race but two seperate ones), has to FIRST go through the same preparation and AFTER whine that their content is overtuned when they lose over 25s in that fictionary race of theirs.
Midwinter gets my vote atleast they show there progression raids.
You are lying! I never hit you! YOU ARE TEARING ME APART, LISA!
Only if you measure the car you drive against Formula 1 as the "standard".<DREAM Paragon> = 10 man standard. <Blood Legion> or <Method> 25 man standard?.
These guys are not "the standard" by any means. They are "the best". You dont measure yourself against the best unless you are amongst the best, otherwise you just look shit.
Who cares who is top at the moment when all that has ever mattered is the final boss of the tier? In this case it's Heroic Sha.
I can´t agree with you kaharon. Funneling gear from 25mans is a option open to any other 10man guild not just paragon.
paragon is special because they probably still have the 25-30 person roster, most 10 mans don't have that luxury. it does give them an unfair advantage over other 10 mans.
" I need a sec, my wrists hurt from spamming slam so hard. Playing cleave vs cleave is tough stuff guys"
LoL at people whining about gear funneling. These raid teams are absolutely hardcore, they will do everything to get extra gear. If they have the option available to them to run 25 to get more gear... why wouldn't they. If other 10 mans wanted to they could try to put it together, or 25s could funnel gear to a 10 man. Either way theres no point in calling them out for doing the max they can to gear their toons, its not exploiting. Them doing this is equivilent to you doing your dailies, it improves your character so do it.
Are people going to start arguing that it's unfair that other guilds raid while they're at work since they don't have the option to do so? Get real, it's an MMO, you do everything you can to be on top, if that's your goal.
Less QQ moar PewPew