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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    Stupid design decisions..

    ...the community asked for....
    This is not quite how it works.

    The community says "there's nothing to do."

    The community wasn't saying "there's nothing to do, so we'll accept ANYTHING that gives us something to do."

    The community statements are incomplete requirements, not complete specifications of what they need to be satisfied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    This is not quite how it works.

    The community says "there's nothing to do."

    The community wasn't saying "there's nothing to do, so we'll accept ANYTHING that gives us something to do."

    The community statements are incomplete requirements, not complete specifications of what they need to be satisfied.
    But they technically did ask for it, I remember some of the forums where people just said "We need more to do" and didn't give ideas to what. The ones whom asked for more to do mostly left the door open and Blizzard gives them things to do. Then they go whine that it wasn't what they wished for. And Blizzard gets annoyed.

    Heck, they can't read minds.

    All the whining on the forum is mostly because of optional things, things they don't have to do but they feel that they must do it, another point that confuses Blizzard I think. And CS' are in the frontline taking fire from people that doesn't know how to make constructive feedback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    This is not quite how it works.

    The community says "there's nothing to do."

    The community wasn't saying "there's nothing to do, so we'll accept ANYTHING that gives us something to do."

    The community statements are incomplete requirements, not complete specifications of what they need to be satisfied.
    No, trust me.

    Even here, people asked for "grinds" back, because Cata was boring.

    They asked for it on battle.net too.

    They listened.

    They implemented.

    Now the vocal minority either loves it or hates it.

    People didn't want Welfare Epics?

    This was also the solution to it.

    The community wanted better rewarding Factions?

    This was also the solution to it.

    They answered the community.

    They got what they wanted.

    Just because you weren't part of that vocal section doesn't mean they didn't ask for it.

    And they got it.

    And BLizzard is still trying to fix it.

    So what good does constantly bickering and complaining do?
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    no 1 is forced to do dailies im not even subbed and i get this

    if they only knew how long ogrila and netherwing (especially during tbc wen u didnt get every single egg spawn) took XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    no 1 is forced to do dailies im not even subbed and i get this

    if they only knew how long ogrila and netherwing (especially during tbc wen u didnt get every single egg spawn) took XD
    Thank you Genn. Seriously @_@.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    no 1 is forced to do dailies im not even subbed and i get this

    if they only knew how long ogrila and netherwing (especially during tbc wen u didnt get every single egg spawn) took XD
    Oh god, I remember that.. *shudders* Problem is many in the MoP era think they have to do all the dailies. Even though many others, even Blizzard say it's there for optional use. Of course dailies reward you with items, but that's normal. Just wish that people would lay down the heat on the forum and instead of wasting their time on rereading same subject, let them fix what needs to be fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    Oh god, I remember that.. *shudders* Problem is many in the MoP era think they have to do all the dailies. Even though many others, even Blizzard say it's there for optional use. Of course dailies reward you with items, but that's normal. Just wish that people would lay down the heat on the forum and instead of wasting their time on rereading same subject, let them fix what needs to be fixed.
    Yeah, and no matter what we say, they're still convinced "NOPE. GOTTA DO THEM."

    It's like arguing with a wall unfortunately =/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    Yeah, and no matter what we say, they're still convinced "NOPE. GOTTA DO THEM."

    It's like arguing with a wall unfortunately =/
    As said, that's the problem. Then they dislike it and go to the forum and whine, then the hold Blizzards time to read their thread just to find out that it's a subject that has been posted hundreds of times, they starts to bother them that the playerbase can't do a normal search.
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    That would make a great movie title:

    "When the blues bite back"
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    Those are penis compensation device-sized parking spaces, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    Even though many others, even Blizzard say it's there for optional use. Of course dailies reward you with items, but that's normal.
    Ghostcrawler also says the solution to insufficient raid progression from lower tier guilds is more valor and LFR gear.

    Dailies are required to progress while still being completely optional?

    There's some real paradox mindfuck shit going on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veliladon View Post
    Ghostcrawler also says the solution to insufficient raid progression from lower tier guilds is more valor and LFR gear.

    Dailies are required to progress while still being completely optional?

    There's some real paradox mindfuck shit going on here.
    Well, guilds can easily do the raids in valor/LFR gear. It's been proven, the first ones had very few epics, and mostly blues. And yes, if you can't handle your raid, then you have to do dailies or get gear crafted to be able to maybe pass your problems. But still, optional, you don't have to as it's already been proven. And even raiding is optional as well as PvP.
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    It's very funny IMO

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    <3 it. Personally can't wait till a blue goes over-the-line. *gets popcorn* & *luvs fireworks!*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veliladon View Post
    Ghostcrawler also says the solution to insufficient raid progression from lower tier guilds is more valor and LFR gear.

    Dailies are required to progress while still being completely optional?

    There's some real paradox mindfuck shit going on here.
    no there is not. Look again... you wrote it even.
    Lower Tier.
    Lower tier doesn't exist just yet. We are in the beginning with only one tier current. Lower tier would mean DS heroic.
    For that everything, even greens from level 89-90 zones are sufficient.
    You can buy nice gear for lower tier off the Justice Vendor.
    You can get Valor unlocked over time, no need to chase to revered.

    Generally speaking:

    As for the Blues biting back... About time they do. Players forgot over time what outstanding gift Blizzard actually throws into the whole package, with all that active support. At the end of the day, WoW is just a product, and Blizzard would not have to do what they do. They chose to go that route, and it actually worked for a long time. But over the time the customer group changed. New players came aboard, and some of them are very vocal.
    As well as some "older" players are now vocal, since they "grew up"..
    But like Zahrym rightfully said the other day. This is not "democratic game design". We are not making our own game to our likes. It's a product, and if you really don't like it that much, stop playing it. You make yourself look like an immature idiot if you keep going on and on and on. Because mature intelligent people will not deal with something they dislike. They ditch it, and move on.

    There's really only one way how to approach the game. And that is to take it for what it is, and play it according to what it offers. What ever there is in the game, is part of the game, and you either face those challenges or not is then up to you.
    But don't expect that anything will change just now, because you want it changed..

  16. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    no there is not. Look again... you wrote it even.
    Lower Tier.
    Lower tier doesn't exist just yet. We are in the beginning with only one tier current. Lower tier would mean DS heroic.
    Oh for crying out loud. /facepalm

    Read what he wrote again, this time correctly. "Tier" is not referring to raiding tier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veliladon View Post
    Ghostcrawler also says the solution to insufficient raid progression from lower tier guilds is more valor and LFR gear.

    Dailies are required to progress while still being completely optional?

    There's some real paradox mindfuck shit going on here.
    Valor gear in this case would only be required to "pad over" a lack of skill on player's part. Of course, you could ALSO buy crafted gear off of the AH, or use the other people in your raiding guild to make it if you don't want to pay all of that gold out.

    Or you could gear up in heroic dungeon gear and then run the raid bosses until you develop a working strategy while simultaneously improving your actual skill playing your class/role.

    So no, they still aren't required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeverin View Post
    While it is new, refreshing and soap opera material when devs "biting back" at forum QQ, I still somehow have the feeling they are disrespecting the customer.
    Yeah, well, seeing the cesspool which is the official forums, I guess that's well deserved then

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    It's stupid and unprofessional.

    Quote Originally Posted by Detheavn View Post
    Yeah, well, seeing the cesspool which is the official forums, I guess that's well deserved then
    Regardless, they are paying customers. You don't treat them like shit.

  20. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevyne-Shandris View Post
    How can you even get a rational answer on a fanboi forum? Logic rarely exists when emotions (and/or addictions) are more important. There's too many ulterior reasons to tow a company line, instead.
    Were you going to answer my question, or just spout deflections and attempt to misdirect the discussion like you always do?

    The question was pretty simple, so lets try it again: How exactly do you come to the conclusion, using logic and not grandiose claims that you have no way of backing up, that Blizzard intentionally takes their playerbase for granted because they are somehow under the belief that their playerbase is too young to understand how to sue them?

    And by all means, try to hide behind the "but it's a fanboi forum" excuse again, just so I can get a good laugh (which coming from someone who has a "blizzard is personally persecuting me" quote in his sig is fairly amusing in and of itself").

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illiterate View Post
    It's stupid and unprofessional.


    Regardless, they are paying customers. You don't treat them like shit.
    Of course not. You let them walk all over you and reward them for it when they do. That will teach them.

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