I disagree. I like a lot of the changes that have been made, but lets face it, it's obvious the work isn't alive as it used to be, even with how much more alive it has even since MoP launched, it still pales in comparison to the Vanilla and BC days.
I think the phrase rose tinted glasses is a cop out for people that didnt play back then, or started then but didn't get involved in the ge much until after. Sorry you didn't experience it yourself, but it's the truth. Seeing the game in its current state and its lack of life in comparison is the truth.
I still very much enjoy the game, but back then, there was a lot to do, and a lot less people whining about things. When there were grinds, people didnt complain to the extent that they do now. There was always a reason to log in, and it felt like if you didn't log in for a day or two, you got left behind and had some catching up to do.
WoW is a Massive Multiplayer Online game, when you take out the "massive multiplayer" part, it kills the game in A lot of ways.
If only the nostalgics could leave instead of spreading their unsatisfied rants over and over, or passive aggressive crap. How ironic that these often talk about how the community has gotten worse when all they do themselves is to spread negativity around them.
Another thing, in what alternate universe would people still play classic today if they never added expansions to improve the game? Since barely anyone ever got into Naxx, what would they do? Start doing parallel raids? Then again classic survived by gating players with endless grinds, onyxia scale cloaks, resistance and other shit so they wouldn't really need to produce a lot of content to keep us occupied with hitting our heads into a wall.
WoW is kinda like pokemon. Doesn't matter how much improvement the new games have, in terms of quality-of-life changes and balancing, there will always be these purists who yell about Gen 1 and 2 being the best. And yet they keep playing.
A game without obstacles or challenges is not a game, it's a sandbox.
From what I've heard of Vanilla and BC, I'm glad I missed them. Sounds like grind-city to me.
Nostalgia wouldn't be a problem if Blizz would just open up legit server specific realms like one for Vanilla and BC. Of course this won't happen but if it did all these nostalgic people would at least have somewhere to go.
Retro gaming is alive and well, there's nothing wrong with it, I go back and play a bunch of old games on all my old consoles. Too bad there's no way you can do that in an mmo.
inb4 "Oh that dead horse" "The dead horse can't be beaten no more" "blah blah blah dead horse" ect.
Last edited by Killington; 2012-11-14 at 04:39 AM.
No it's not but that is a handy tool to use to never ever take any criticism. Because ofcourse the vast majority, the by far vast majority does not actually miss BC, for BCs sake. They still want new stuff to do, they miss the design mentality of the burning crusade. But that will never get acknowledged by those that claim that NOSTALGIA HURTS THE GAME. Because that is a legit concerns, and here in fairy land we do not concern ourself wich such trivial stuff. No I kid, I kid. But it gets really boring hearing the same wooden argument that argues against a ghost that doesn't exist. I am one of those that wish wow was designed with the BC mindset, doesn't mean I want to play the burning crusade again, because that means I have to give up alot of improvents the game has had. And it also doesn't mean that it would be some kind of requirment for that mindset.
Last edited by Keske; 2012-11-14 at 03:09 AM.
Vanilla was interesting and new.
TBC was hard and design was very sketchy. You're in a blue mushroom swamp... BOOM, you're in needle-like mountains without transition. Draenei race also wasn't a perfect decision. They still feel out of place.
Wrath was perfect. The story, the style, everything felt right.
Cataclysm felt pointless, although many people underestimate the real purpose of Cata, the overhaul of 1-60 content, which is good.
MoP... I've only took a peek at Jade Forest (mainly because I level a monk), but what i've seen, is one of the best things I have in this game. I wonder if those dailies everyone whines about are as bad as grinding for Netherwing.
"A NAME IS A CLOAK OF LETTERS THROWN UPON A MAN. IT MEANS NOTHING." - Transcendent One, Planescape: Torment.
It's really biological! Back when wow first came out a large amount of people received a very large amount of dopamine. If you weren't receiving another larger source of dopamine you became addicted to wow. The dopamine release is controlled by you're point of view or perspective. It's fascinating. A lot of people addicted to wow are getting lower and lower amount of dopamine while playing and it causes crankiness from withdrawal. It's profound and amazingly being alive. Let people complain. they literally can't help it.
I was addicted to vanilla wow when i was 15.
Some people like cats, some people like dogs and some people like killing them. We don't need to, nor do we want to (in most cases) understand or discover why.
The internet, for whatever reason, and in some cases portions of society, seem hell bent on changing people's minds. Especially in this case there is an almost complete lack of trying to understand someone's reasoning. But that is happily contributed to by people not giving enough of a damn to explain their feelings fully, or to be able.
Nostalgia isn't a problem, it's just a fact of life.
WoW's time has come and gone for most people and the magic can never be recaptured, it's just reality.
Even the people still playing it and having fun, it still doesn't have the sense of wonder and amazement it once did.
Just accept it, there's no fighting it. Something can be new only once.
Like your favorite movie, whatever it is, you can still enjoy watching it, but the magic of watching it that first time will never happen again.
Such is life.
I wouldn't get it if anyone was being nostalgic about WotlK either, but vanilla is a whole different story.
But yeah, what on earth do you know about "BC/Classic" ?
frankly as someone who played back before the 'reintroduced sexier troll females' the game is catered more to people who have an hour or two to play. NOBODY started playing vanilla and only had an hour or two a day to play. MMORPGs have always been timesinks and now, they're so convenient they're not really MMORPGs anymore. it's an MMO-something i guess. kind of a MMOGAMELOBBY since you sit in queue to do shit most of the time
convenience sells though. just doesn't make for a great game
WoW has changed and is changing.
People are allowed to think those changes are better and people are also allowed to think those changes are worse.
A large percentage of the people who think it's gotten worse have voted with their feet and quit.
even if they are wearing rose tinted glasses doesn't mean they are wrong, the pace and mechanics of pvp for example.
Sorry to tell you OP, but it's the opposite; Nostalgia is what's keeping the game alive. ALOT of people are still subscribing simply because they've been playing the game for years. Things like raiding becomes a weekly habit. I still play and raid, but not because I enjoy the game as much as I used to, but because it just doesn't feel right to suddenly stop doing something that I've been doing for over 6 years.
I can't see how it is in any way "killing the game". How exactly does a portion of the playerbase that love classic wow, which was a fantastic product, in any way hurt what the game is now? Sure, they'll moan about the changes, for better or worse, but blizzard is doing their own thing - they're not going to have the direction they take the game diverted by complaining forum posts by a minority of the playerbase. Nor do I expect the complaints to make other people quit, if people quit it's because they don't like the game, not because they enjoy it but a forum poster doesn't.
I cannot fathom how you can come to the conclusion that nostalgia is killing the game, not one bit.
He claims, however right or wrong he might be, that "nostalgia" or constantly looking back with futility is harming the game and gaming in general. I don't think he needs to have experienced the content to feel nay saying is having a negative effect on the community and game. You might think differently, but that's my opinion.
If I were to expand on what I believe his point to be I'd ask what benefit does negativity without solutions do for anyone? Criticism is great as long as it helps produce better future results. But reading between the lines I'd imagine his hatred towards nostalgia stems from that.
Then again I could be wrong and he might just be a fuming crack-pot.
All I know for sure is adding "In my opinion" to almost every sentence of everyone's posts certainly makes MMO Champion easier to read.