You should not be using Glyph of Illumination.
You should not be using Glyph of Illumination.
Last edited by Dubalicious; 2012-12-02 at 11:43 PM.
Valid point, I think I misinterpreted the mp5 lost by using the glyph.
What are you guys using?
Beacon LoD Divinity?
Last edited by Deipotent; 2012-12-03 at 04:25 AM.
I use protector of innocent and divinity most of the time and divine protection and beacon depending of fights.
On topic: the fact that the 4pvp set bonus doesnt work with DP procs it already makes it bad at some point depending on what gear you have. Also with the buff on pve 4 set bonus in 5.1 it probably makes it a must for holy palas.
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Okay I have been waiting a few days with a reply for this thread but I think I have come to a pretty good conclusion.
With the pve 4 piece bonus it will take you 3 HS or 12 seconds to build up to 3 holy power for a full EF.
With the pvp 4 piece bonus it will take you 2 HS or 12 seconds to build up to 2 holy power for a full EF.
So how can we make those 12 seconds faster, we can do CS and HR or we can cast a single target FoL/DL on a beacon target. Doing a beacon target FoL/DL is not something I personally would do unless that target has lost a lot of HP.
A lot of people see CS/HS as "free casts" but to be fair they are not, one cost 9k mana (with a chance to regen some) and the other cost 9,6k. That means that no matter what you will have to spend more mana on EF blanketing if you use the pve 4 piece set. On the other hand you will spend more mana when casting HR with the pvp 4 set.
For the sake of arguement lets say that the 3rd holy power when using pve set costs you 8k mana and you save 2k mana every time you cast a HR. That means you will have to cast 4x HR to make up for the mana you spend on the extra HS/CS.
From these facts I can deduct that the pvp 4 set is still equal to the pve 4 set and depending on the fight it will sometimes be pvp 4 set > pve 4 set and sometimes pvp 4 set < pve 4 set. Yes the pvp set got severely nerfed but the nerf was not enough to make it bad, it was merely enough to make it in line with the pve set.
I understand that some people think that they can 1 HP EF blanket the raid with the pve set but to be honest the point of the EF blanket is to make raid/tank healing easier and not to cheese the meters (lets face it 1HP EF blanketing is just cheese).
Personally I will stick to my pvp 4 set untill I have full heroic pve 4 set. Doing it like this will also allow me to upgrade both my pvp 4 set but also my pve items and thus reducing the gap in stats vs lfr/normal pve 4 set.
You are neglecting how good HS is, and how each HR basically gives you a 2x HS. You are also neglecting the increase in infusion of light procs and the massive stat difference between even the normal 4set and the pvp 4set.
Last edited by silverhatred; 2012-12-03 at 04:25 PM.
Nope im not neglecting anything what so ever. I have tested both back and forth and I couldnt for sure say 1 set was better so of course I am going to keep using the pvp set as I can upgrade that faster. I even managed to get a rank 3 on Wind Lord Mel'jarak 25N after the nerf to the set not that normal modes are the best measurement but it shows that the set hasnt been nerfed that hard.
I haven't been able to raid much since patch and currently only own pvp 4 set and only 1 piece of t14.. is the t14 set bonus worth going for even with lfr items over 483 pvp set?
If anyone that has both could point me in the right direction if i should try gather lfr items asap or keep pvp set until i get normal ones.. thank you.
Last edited by twin2; 2012-12-04 at 05:07 AM.
rank 5 of heroic will of the emperor where I used 4 piece pvp.
As I said before I would not say one set is better than the other because they are so close and imo thats a really great thing, I atleast cant think of any other class who gets to choose between two sets (or use both where you switch depending on the fight).
Last edited by Pacer; 2012-12-05 at 12:16 AM.
It's called being skeptical, and every theorycrafter/numbers person is plagued by it =( I'm certainly not trying to be insulting, but "nope I accounted for all that" isn't really a satisfactory answer to the items the poster brought up imo. It's also a pretty minor issue to which you (and I) have already reached what seems to be the likely conclusion - both sets are powerful and would be optimal under certain conditions.
4p PVP is the best.
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We all just need to keep in mind that looking at the top 10 in world of logs or any healing meter is looking at the top <1% of people who are healing. There are people who have pvp 4 set who have numbers lower than people who have pve 4 set and vice versa and there are some people without 4 set at all that are beating everyone else. That being said, there are mixtures of people in the top 10 on all fights who are either pvp or pve and in pve gear they don't have all heroic (maybe one or two heroic), one such example is the top 10 paladins on heroic blade lord.
My personal preference is the PvE set for the same reasons stated above. We often forget in our race to look at healing logs that the best healers are not always the ones who top the healing meters. Someone mentioned the huge benefits of being able to cast holy shock more often. More infusion of light procs means faster reaction to raid damage. More heals on the move. Holy shock is not free but it is one of the most efficient healing spells we have. 2/5 times this spell is going to critical heal for 70-80K on the move, healing around the same as a non-critical divine light or a crit holy light which forces you to stand there and cast. Also, we are doing things in the downtime between holy shock, most likely something involving casting. The pvp set bonus is not gonna help you with your healing here, but pve stats will.
Should i bother with grinding for the pvp set bonus gear or will it just be nerfed soon?