Blizzard should know by now that you can't throw 25 random people together and expect them to not do things like "blow up in the raid" or switch dps.
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
Spider mount, Spider mount.
Costs all the gold in your account.
It's completely unreasonable to sit that long on an LFR encounter because constructs can't press 2.
Dumb it down please, not much fun wiping with 24 randoms.
He's making it up as he goes along.The point of the post was not directly said in words, I made the mistake of thinking it was common sense.
The biggest problem with LFR is that Blizz can not compensate for people being too lazy to actually read the dungeon journal, googling a text guide to each boss or watching a youtube video. They just show up and out of fear that they will get booted they don't ask how to do the fight.They expect to figure it out as they go.
"Oh its just LFR." is no escuse, I've seen more wipes in lfr than in regular raids because no one can communicate very easily.
I'm sort of baffled as to why there's complaints about the difficulty level of LFR in the first place, especially by people who claim the place is already such a cakewalk. For all I care the bosses in there could have 1HP. You go there to experience a lite version of the content and to get used to and familiarize yourself with raid mechanics, not to gear up or for progression.
The people that complain about the newbies or low dps in LFR raids are hilariously hypocritical. I could understand if it's a heroic pug, but LFR? No one cares. Take it or leave it.
There's a limit and kindness only goes so far. The raid doesn't wake up to milk and cookies the raid wakes up after a shot of bourbon. If not, they get replaced.
Other bosses got nerfs because people were too slow on the mechanics - this isn't about "hardcores", it's about the LFR audience and the wipe-tolerance people have before leaving.
As a fellow european I can't say anything about the difficulty of the fight on LFR, but I'd imagine you don't have to interrupt the boss in P2 (tell me if I'm wrong, still at work and can't try it out yet), that would leave room for prolonging the cast time to 5-6 seconds.
All in all, I'd say run LFR with guildies until we're a few more weeks in.
Last edited by Exileos; 2012-11-14 at 02:08 PM.
I'm not saying that all normal/heroic mode players are like that in LFR - but there are a good (or bad) number of them that do this. LFR is beneath them so they get in and go afk for every fight. Having a skill check wont solve this because they have the skill - they just cant be bothered. Not sure how you could impliment a skill and "be bothered" check.
I was very suprised when we got to amber shaper and its mechanics didnt change much. Normally raid finder trys to move FAR FAR AWAY from the blame game on single people. If a person fucks up there own interrupt and the giant construct (or mr.blobby to me) then they will get shot down in flames.
But seriously, all it takes is 1/2 people to know the fight and explain it properly to people (not just "pewpew deeps") then its job done. We 1/2 shot the last 3 bosses and i was the only person knowing/explaining tactics. Random pugs are willing to co-operate as its there time too
Is the outcome bad? Sure is. Are there less skilled people in LFR? Sure there are? Are they therefore all bad? Definitely not.
Rather the opposite would be the case.
If you are that naive to think that throwing together some 25 random people, with 1/3 not knowing anything about the fights at all. (was the first day in LFR for those 3 bosses), 1/3 does know, but isn't just savvy enough yet, and 1/3 who did it on normal already with their well organized guild runs, yet they don't feel the need to communicate at all... What is to expect as an outcome of that?
If you know how the stuff goes, and you assume everyone to be on your level, then it's you who's the baddie..... really.
Every single time shit hits the fan, it's because of some ignorant "elitists" charge in, without even a single word.
Especially tanks are good at that.... Bam, pull... Don't give a shit if people barely entered the room. Who cares about buffing, organizing. It's LFR !!!
Bam.... wipe.... Cussing at everyone and everything.. name calling.... Sure hell, that's gonna fix it.
Don't expect people to know the fights. That's not a default. Should it be? Probably.
But Blizzard tries to give people a feel about raiding at all. That's part of the learning curve, to realize that one needs to prepare a little.
Learning by doing. Hence LFR's lower difficulty and lower reward.
If you lack the patience and will to pass your knowledge on in a civilized manner, then stay the hell out of LFR.
Patience and friendliness gets you a lot further.
And if you think that cussing, bitching and insulting others in the raid gets the boss killed sooner, or faster, because it makes the others better, then you are not only a moron, but an idiot. You are a baddie in real life behavior.
And that's worse than being not skilled for a fight just yet.
Good raiders know that. And they influence to the better.