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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragore View Post
    You must not understand the game model around WoW. It supposed to be a game where it does not require extreme PC components to run. Yes some models need upgrades which they are doing. Blizzard spends more money on gameplay then graphics.

    I love the fact that WoWs graphics aren't like the others its what make them different. After ~9ish years wow is still number one...kinds says a lot about graphics and how people care about them.
    ^This.

    I like the graphics, plus the gameplay is awesome.

    I'd rather a game with awesome gameplay and shit graphics than vice versa.

    ..Just like, imo, GW2.
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    "WoW graphics are bad!"

    *posts Vanilla screenshots and follows up with screenshots from games that are less than 3 years old*

    Biased post is biased. WoW's graphics are cartoonish and, for the new content, fine. Older content, like humans, dwarves, orcs, etc, could be upgraded, but the rest of the game follows the same graphical style of WCIII and I think its great. Certainly can use a bit of an upgrade, but no big deal.

    Gameplay > Graphics. Always.

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    I do think WoW's graphics are behind the times...yes, even Mists of Pandaria looks pretty hideous if you're just looking at polygon count and whatnot. But it's the artistic talent behind it that matters. WoW is a very pretty game because the artists do a great job at creating awesome looking stuff with that old engine. Look at Rift for example. The game is really fun, better than WoW in many ways IMO, but the areas, gear, characters, etc. all feel devoid of soul. The detail is there, but everything just looks uninspired. If you want a really pretty game with good artistic talent behind it, GW2 and Tera are probably the only options at the moment.

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    The newer MMOs qualify for beautiful screenshots, once you start playing you notice how sloppy characters move, it's an inevitable effect when making good looking games where your character has to perform fluid, yet quick, animations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shampro View Post
    Guys why do you keep posting in Jaylock threads? WHY? you KNOW he does it with the intention to troll, its obivous, why keep bumping his threads everytime he starts one? He doesnt even hide it anymore, posting picks from 2005. REALLY? comeon people use commun sense.
    Beats me, guess its not really worth it. I get the feeling your right (even tho iv not been a member for long iv seen the trend) so lesson learned for my part ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    WoW is in DIRE need of a graphics update, or a reboot. Do you agree?
    No, i don't agree. Notice something different about those screenshots besides "quality"? Yeah, it's what's going on in them. Almost all of the non-WoW screenshots show something fantastic happening. In the penultimate screenshot, the perspective provides that impression. In the last screenshot, there's a lot going on in the scene. In the first non-WoW screenshot, it shows something about to be casted, something that looks powerful. Only the screenshot after that doesn't have much action (except in the chest area).

    With the WoW screenshots, it shows first a party doing nothing but standing in a staircase. I also personally know that screenshot is from AT LEAST 2007, before Wrath (where the first of the major graphical updates occurred with Shadows and such). In the second screenshot, you're showing a low level hunter taking on some low level mob, and you've got the UI cluttering up the impressions that it's something fantastic. It's also running on VERY low quality settings OR from several years ago as evidenced by the low ground texture quality, lack of antialiasing, and the fact the hunter has a quiver visible.

    WoW lacks in a few areas; Tree quality in the old world, several textures are still lacking in quality (such as some of the textures used in BG's), and character models. Character models are being worked on, and the old textures are few and far between. The other MMO's there portray reality for a fantasy world. It doesn't work for me. I played WoW over other MMO's because of it's style, and at the start because it had low requirements and it was one of the few MMO's on the market that had a large community.

    What you have to remember is that graphics don't make up half as much a game as style and aesthetics do. WoW has a unique style. They've managed to maintain that style while improving quality in every single expansion to date. Look at MoP. The graphical quality is fantastic, but the aesthetics and style remain recognizable as Blizzard's.

    Until you're willing to be fair about the comparisons, i'm unwilling to agree that it needs a reboot. Perhaps one day Jaylock, you'll actually create a thread that provides something useful to the community, instead of trying too hard to force your point across with unrealistic points and unfair comparisons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterHamster View Post
    The newer MMOs qualify for beautiful screenshots, once you start playing you notice how sloppy characters move, it's an inevitable effect when making good looking games where your character has to perform fluid, yet quick, animations.
    Hamster have you noticed WoW is also one of the few MMOs which has Character Models that actually look like they run or walk properly?
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    Nice choice of pics, WoW looks much better on my PC.

    But great job comparing an old game to new games, top job indeed!

    Oh and graphics aint everything, gameplay is far more important, and WoW has superior gameplay to those other games in the screenshots.

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    Dudes, watch him, he doesn't respond to his own thread, he only did it, for what he does mostly everything here in mmochamp, troll. He doesn't hide thats his trolling and people still take him serious, god knows why hes still on this forum tbh, its been years. inb4 infracted for saying the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterHamster View Post
    The newer MMOs qualify for beautiful screenshots, once you start playing you notice how sloppy characters move, it's an inevitable effect when making good looking games where your character has to perform fluid, yet quick, animations.
    Not really. The only MMO that has come out in the last 2 years that I felt had sloppy feeling animations and controls is Rift. GW2, SWTOR, and Tera control just as good, if not better than WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    Hamster have you noticed WoW is also one of the few MMOs which has Character Models that actually look like they run or walk properly?
    I disagree. The Human Male running animation in WoW is very...stiff and weird looking.

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    Good thing that SWTOR screenshot was cropped at the bottom. That way you don't see the absolutely horrible jagged shadows in that game. Seriously, worst shadows I've seen in a game in years. The atrocious shadows ruined the graphics in that game for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shampro View Post
    Dudes, watch him, he doesn't respond to his own thread, he only did it, for what he does mostly everything here in mmochamp, troll. He doesn't hide thats his trolling and people still take him serious, god knows why hes still on this forum tbh, its been years. inb4 infracted for saying the truth.
    Lol totally agree, the mods love Jay and will protect him from anything and everything. Ive been infracted for voicing my opinion on Jay as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtua View Post
    Not really. The only MMO that has come out in the last 2 years that I felt had sloppy feeling animations and controls is Rift. GW2, SWTOR, and Tera control just as good, if not better than WoW.

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    I disagree. The Human Male running animation in WoW is very...stiff and weird looking.
    Oh God Human Models are just..BLEGH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elderamy View Post
    I don't play wow for graphics... Don't really care...

    I rather have stuff as it is right now, than having my raids messed up just because ppls PCs can't handle awesome graphics...
    Exactly. Do you whiners have any idea how many players they would lose if they made the graphics more demanding?

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    I love how both of those wow images are obviously taken on LOWEST settings and BEFORE they implemented the DX11 Tech for advanced shadow rendering. Learn how to bash properly when your going to try it mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    Oh God Human Models are just..BLEGH.

    <--Orc Boy. So yeah. I'm sorry Alliance!
    Haha fair enough. Yeah the Horde races have good walk/run animations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synthaxx View Post

    Until you're willing to be fair about the comparisons, i'm unwilling to agree that it needs a reboot. Perhaps one day Jaylock, you'll actually create a thread that provides something useful to the community, instead of trying too hard to force your point across with unrealistic points and unfair comparisons.
    Thank you! Can you please be a mod for the general forums please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    Hamster have you noticed WoW is also one of the few MMOs which has Character Models that actually look like they run or walk properly?
    Just another bonus of having relatively low poly characters. You don't expect perfect mesh handling, but it looks good anyway.
    I work with 3D characters, and when it comes to animating... there's a fine line. Once you start working with these overly detailed characters, say TERA Online, you start to notice that you need to make animations ridiculously smooth, but that makes combat fluidity suffer, else you need to make animations skip around in order to accomodate rapid movement changes, like in PvP.

    WoW handles this very, very well. Other games have tried for YEARS to replicate the combat fluidity of WoW and its animations, but they also try to sell the high def graphics, causing conflict.
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    Eight year old game has eight year old graphics. Also grass is green and the sky is blue.

    There is nothing really to discuss here and this is borderline game vs game so I'm closing.
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