playing 2h is a dps loss
You can't always control the gear that drops for you... Gan was lamenting about this a few days ago in chat. Personally I'd prefer his gear to my own any day!
Additionally... haste actually sims higher than mastery for single target dps until you start getting bis gear so its not too big of a deal.
With the amount of top 10 parses gan has, I think we can give him some leeway
Haha, three very valid points. I would personally take those weapons and 10k more unbuffed AP over my setup, too.
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i think every top dk watches a swing timer, but tbh. the majority of dks should just focus on priority, if they become fixated on watching the swing timer they will actually lose dps.
imo, you need to watch the swing timer to max dps, but you use your best judgement to hit fs or wait for ob, this is sort of hard for an average dk, it becomes 2nd nature as skill increases. but, i wouldnt wait any longer than .5 sec. if i see ob wont be up before my swing timer imma hit fs. as i dont want to chance overwriting a km proc. and im wasting resourses by not using fs.
Fights where aoe dps or cleave makes a significant contribution -
Feng if you're going for records
Sha of Fear
Fights where being able to dps on the move effectively is useful that haven't already been mentioned
You can't deny DW > 2h in most cases this tier
All the data says that waiting on killing machine is not a DPS gain. This is deeply unintuitive, so lots of people resist it. That's fine; it's not like a couple percent one way or the other from one player will make or break progression. But there is a right answer and a wrong answer.
The right answer is that you should ignore KM.
It shows as a 0.8% DPS gain, yes, but before you crow in victory, consider that simcraft profiles are tuned to within the nth degree to eke out the most damage possible. That doesn't mean humans can reliably execute those profiles. For example, here's one line in the standard 2H frost profile.
This says you should only frost strike if killing machine isn't up and you don't have any blood, frost, or unholy runes available. Hmm. How often does that situation come up? Would you be able to reliably react to it properly when it does? And the big question-- how much performance is that line worth? According to simcraft, that action is worth 0.6% of total DPS. But it's impossible. You'll never do it.
Nobody actually plays that way. The way you actually play 2H frost is something like this:
keep diseases up
soul reaper when <=35%
plague leech if you notice blood plague is <3s (and you aren't lazy like me and skipped PL)
HB on rime
obliterate whenever you won't cap runic power
otherwise, frost strike
And lastly, assuming that you are a WoW god and can reliably execute the simcraft profile every time while also not standing in the fire (which is fairly unlikely, I know I can't), it seems like a ton of work watching swing timers, etc, for a theoretical max gain of 0.8%.
There's a massive difference between saying that paying attention to killing machine is a dps loss, and saying that it's actually a dps gain but most players just aren't good enough to do it.
And having km with no runes up isn't exactly a once in a lifetime occurrence. If I have two runes, obliterate because km procced, and then km procs again, I'm probably in that situation. And I'm going to frost strike if rime procced from my last obliterate or if I won't have runes for obliterate before my next auto attack lands.
I'm not claiming to be a perfect player. Far from it, I make mistakes on almost every pull of every boss regardless of it it's progress or farm. But gaining dps from paying attention to killing machine is not nearly as difficult as you are making it sound.
Also, anything even approaching 0.8% extra dps is a large gain when you're gaining it just by using procs differently.
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You're making it sound like forgetting about KM entirely is a good thing. You're basically saying it's a DPS loss waiting 0.5 seconds for a KM to proc to Obliterate (assuming doing so won't resource cap you) rather than using it on Frost Strike immediately.
YOU DON'T KNOW ME.
But like a couple months ago weren't you talking about the innacuracy of sims? Like arguing it hardcore with me? I can't remember. But put aside some near-impossible-to-replicate-in-play program and think abou it - if you waste absolutely no resources at all to get an extra 50k damage or whatever the KMOB KMFS difference is, why wouldn't you?
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