I have been thinking about this question for a while now, and couldn't really come up with anything brilliant, so I wanted to hear if anyone of you have a descent opinion about this.
I have the Tier 14 2-setbonus which as you know gives med 10% extra damage on OB and FS. The question is then if I should gem +320 haste or keep my 80 STR + 160 Haste gems.
I have tried simming it, and my DPS is slighty increased (around 1k) with +320 haste gems, but I'm not quite sure I believe it do to my own experience with the different sockets.
With +320 haste gems I'm sitting on 14845 STR and 6745 Haste. Simmingg ~ 88k.
With 80 STR + 160 haste gems I'm sitting on 15345 STR and 5955 Haste. Simming ~ 89k
With the change to haste from strength you're losing 500 strength and only gaining 790 haste going by those numbers, is it just me or should it be more of a haste gain then that? If not then strength is definitely the way to go.
What's you gear ilvl and weapon? I don't think based on those numbers your at the break point yet.
I hit the break point last night (494 ilvl 496 weapon Sha 2H w/ 2PC). I ran a 50K iteration simcraft model and Haste came out as the better gemming strategy (STR =1.00, Haste = 0.57) for the first time.
I'm trying to figure out the same as well. Gemming haste has feels so much better compared to str; there's a much better flow, but I haven't actually figured out which gives the better dps for my gear yet.
That's why we have sims, you don't have to figure anything out.
Just keep in mind that gaining runic power from anti magic shell can be a smaller dps increase with haste gems than with strength gems.
Not really, if you can't play exactly like the sim you won't do the same DPS as the sim. The standard method of simming is a straight out nuke with 0 downtime on the boss with no cleaving or target swaps, most boss fights don't work like that.
It's awesome that the WoW community has such easy access to simcraft these days, the authors have done an amazing job, but I don't think they would be too thrilled to see it become the new gear score 2.0. Look at the data in context to your own play style otherwise you may aswell not use it at all and we can go back to looking at the BiS stat weights off EJ and just doing what that says to do.
I just did a sim of my latest gear and it's getting very tempting to start gemming haste. At the normalised values 1 Haste is 0.48 vs Str at 1.0, DPS loss on single target is trivial compared to spending less time rune locked which to be fair isn't happening all that much either. Since I started using Plague Leech regardless of Rime procs the 2 GCD's you spend reapplying diseases seems to help alleviate rune locking somewhat.
Which in turn leads me to real value of BT vs RE as 2H. If I'm not getting rune locked as 2h Frost then I can't fathom how BT is an increase in DPS when it has the lowest throughput of all the options. Anyone wanna shed some light on that for me?
Haste will probably be better if you have a weapon that is better than the rest of your gear, and it might be better if you have two set, but the only real answer is to sim it.
Yes there is. I suspect it to be at 6500 haste and/or depending on your strength. According to simm I just passed it with haste being 0.54 worth of strength, meaning the +320 haste gem out DPS the +80 strenght 160 haste and even the +160 strength.
But as other people have explained, the simming only calculates a fight with zero movement, so yeah I would expect haste to be better in these situations, but on a fight like say Blade Lord, you have move around quite a lot, so in my opinion hitting harder would be a better choice on fight like this.