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    Eh, I can't see how it's not a good change. Outdated content is outdated, soloing currently doesn't provide any challenge anyways unless you go into ICC. The only reason people go into outdated raids are because of cool transmog gear or mounts, not for the challenge or for the fun, that fun was had in the expansion that the raid was current.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wariofan1 View Post
    Eh, I can't see how it's not a good change. Outdated content is outdated, soloing currently doesn't provide any challenge anyways unless you go into ICC. The only reason people go into outdated raids are because of cool transmog gear or mounts, not for the challenge or for the fun, that fun was had in the expansion that the raid was current.
    Finding something fun is subjective. Personally, I love this change, because I find soloing old content/collecting gear for transmog fun, and I'm not necessarily in it for the challenge (then again, soloing everything isn't easy either). Plus, it gives people that little something extra to do ingame.

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    I think it's a good change. There's something that's hard to solo, which is fine, but then there are things which are impossible to solo by virtue of mechanics that demand multiple players. Razorgore the Untamed is a fantastic example of this. He's not even remotely difficult as he is, it's just that the multiplayer-reliant mechanic makes him pretty much unsoloable. Having to drag up someone to help kill Razorgore in a raid that's otherwise a total joke isn't fun.

    I doubt that more bleeding-edge solo attempts will be affected by this change, except where they're absolutely impossible due to mechanics. Possibly like Valithria Dreamwalker for non-healers, for example.

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    I feel so sorry for the poor DKs who will have an even easier time.
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  5. #105
    Wait...are they actually lowering the health pools of the harder to solo raid bosses as well....like Ulduar 25 or Cat raids? Or are they just fixing stuff like Razorgore?

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  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Nuke1096 View Post
    Wait...are they actually lowering the health pools of the harder to solo raid bosses as well....like Ulduar 25 or Cat raids? Or are they just fixing stuff like Razorgore?
    They are just fixing mechanics to make near impossible bosses soloable
    no bosses health is being reduced

    The reason they are doing this is because of the pets that drop from them

    Stuff like ICC and ulduar cata etc that has no vanity pets that drop are being left alone afaik

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    Whts wrong with twin emperors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deepsidedj View Post
    Whts wrong with twin emperors?
    Nothing wrong, its just a dps race, nothing more. Essentially you just gotta have enough dps to out-dps their heals, which are about 30k/tick or so.
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  9. #109
    Would be interesting if they changed the 10 man loot tables in ICC & Ulduar to drop the mounts / legendary items. Since the shared lockouts it's always been something that has bugged me.

    But it's fantastic news anyway, having to exploit fights to get past those mechanics has always felt a bit wrong.

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Umchilli View Post
    ''Raid groups are no longer necessary to enter pre-Mists of Pandara raid dungeons. Enemies in these raids that previously required more than one player to defeat are now more easily dealt with by players battling alone.''

    So, no more soloing 'the hard way' :/ Not sure if I like it because I was already getting bored on my DK, soloed almost everything available for him, and now it's becoming even easier.

    So, for me it's 1 big positive and 1 possible negative, depending on how blizzard will implement it. Your reactions?

    EDIT: I might have mis-read it, and the change actually means that previously unsoloable bosses under any cirmustance are now soloable.
    I'll wait for official post to confirm it, reason is there are many 'grey' bosses which aren't unsoloable but killing them solo is alot harder then normally. Such bosses are for example Twin Emps, Gluth and Thaddius, etc... So, once again let's wait for official confirmation.

    EDIT(2): Here's a list of bosses that might be fixed in 5.1, sorry for typos in names.
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    -Blackwing Lair: Razergore
    -Temple of Ahn'qiraji: Viscidus, Twin Emps (I hope not), and C'thun

    TBC:
    -Black Temple: High Warlord Naj'entus, Reliquary of Souls
    -Sunwell Plateau: Kalecgos

    WotLK:
    -Naxxramas: Gluth, Thaddius (Unlikely)
    -Ulduar: Algalon
    -Icecrown Citadel: Gunship fight, Valithria Dreamwalker

    I'm unsure of Cataclysm bosses.
    I could be wrong here, what I'm reading is you can ENTER them solo, but thats no promise that we'll be able to actually SOLO the bosses with wonky fight mechanics, just that we'll have to opportunity to TRY, without a 2nd person.

    but, of course, I could be reading it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haarvald View Post
    I could be wrong here, what I'm reading is you can ENTER them solo, but thats no promise that we'll be able to actually SOLO the bosses with wonky fight mechanics, just that we'll have to opportunity to TRY, without a 2nd person.

    but, of course, I could be reading it wrong.
    For all raids, yes we'll be able to enter without a raid group. However they are only changing Razorgore, Naj'entus and Viscidus in regards to mechanics.
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  12. #112
    Bit silly if they change the mechanics. Where does it end? Isn't this is M in MMO? Not needing to be in a raid group, sure, that's convenience. But changing mechanics? Why not just completely tune it to be soloable at level 90.
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  13. #113
    I was hoping they would just open the door at Razorgore's, so you can skip him and go straigth to Vael. But I guess some people want the set bracers as loot as well.

    As a 'solo old content' fan, I'm glad to see it's getting some lovin', cool to see Blizz cater to this too.
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    Hopefully this can be seen as a sign that the big feared Item Squish will never come.

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    Is there an official list on which fights are being "fixed"? Occurred to me that Throne of the Four Winds will be a challenge, unless they just let us skip to Al'akir

  16. #116
    Should definitely include Thorim, he's far more biased than most bosses in your list (requiring engineering). Don't think they will be fixing twin emps and gluth, because their dps requirements are a joke now (except maybe gluth 25).

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    Quote Originally Posted by d07RiV View Post
    Should definitely include Thorim, he's far more biased than most bosses in your list (requiring engineering). Don't think they will be fixing twin emps and gluth, because their dps requirements are a joke now (except maybe gluth 25).
    You can do it with potion of swiftness, engineering just makes it easier.

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