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    Hospital allows women to die rather than perform an abortion

    Two investigations are under way into the death of a woman who was 17 weeks pregnant, at University Hospital Galway last month.

    Savita Halappanavar (31), a dentist, presented with back pain at the hospital on October 21st, was found to be miscarrying, and died of septicaemia a week later.

    Her husband, Praveen Halappanavar (34), an engineer at Boston Scientific in Galway, says she asked several times over a three-day period that the pregnancy be terminated. He says that, having been told she was miscarrying, and after one day in severe pain, Ms Halappanavar asked for a medical termination.

    This was refused, he says, because the foetal heartbeat was still present and they were told, “this is a Catholic country”.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...326575203.html

    I'm positively appalled by this story. I don't really even know what to add that isn't immediately obvious to decent people.

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    It just boggles my mind how "this is a Catholic country" can be said and taken so seriously in an institution that is founded and runs on science and not religion. Imo they commited murder. Just by letting the mother die. The foetus would've died anyway, so they should've saved the mothers life, like they're supposed too. Do the logical and rational thing, not the opposite. They're doctors, not priests.
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    no words for this right now. i'll settle for disgusting for now to prevent infraction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...326575203.html

    I'm positively appalled by this story. I don't really even know what to add that isn't immediately obvious to decent people.
    What exactly are you appalled by? The fact that she wasn't allowed an abortion or the fact that the doctors are too afraid of the law to provide a woman with the health care that she required?

    In the 2nd case, it's possible that the doctors didn't believe she was at enough risk to warrant the termination. Unfortunately this is something that goes on at hospitals around the world daily and is part of the job (which is why the insurance costs for doctors are so high).
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    Quote Originally Posted by stuck4cash View Post
    In the 2nd case, it's possible that the doctors didn't believe she was at enough risk to warrant the termination. Unfortunately this is something that goes on at hospitals around the world daily and is part of the job (which is why the insurance costs for doctors are so high).
    If a pregnant woman feels pain or has any kind of symptom, how come would any doctor think that she was lying? I mean, there's also a thing called "tests" and, if they did test, I doubt they would say that she was okay, taking in consideration that she died.

    The problem wasn't this, the problem was that the law didn't allow the doctors to abort otherwise, I'm sure, that they would have aborted.

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    That is disgusting, I don't like abortion myself, but in life-threatening cases, it needs to be done, asap, hope they get sued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stuck4cash View Post
    What exactly are you appalled by?
    The part where they let a woman die for absolutely no valid reason.

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    I saw this on the news actually, Its fucking rediculous and completely barbaric. Religion be damned I hope this guy gets a lengthy prison sentence, its no excuse to let someone die due to your beliefs, your a doctor first a catholic second. Unfortunately religious fanatics is a problem Ireland has, regardless beliefs shouldnt even be allowed near a hospital with a 50 foot barge pole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hastings95 View Post
    That is disgusting, I don't like abortion myself, but in life-threatening cases, it needs to be done, asap, hope they get sued.
    This. I think abortion is one of those things that should be limited to extreme scenarios...like the one featured in this news story. Sad that this woman lost her life due to the ignorance of that hospital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuck4cash View Post
    What exactly are you appalled by? The fact that she wasn't allowed an abortion or the fact that the doctors are too afraid of the law to provide a woman with the health care that she required?
    can i be appalled at both?

    In the 2nd case, it's possible that the doctors didn't believe she was at enough risk to warrant the termination. Unfortunately this is something that goes on at hospitals around the world daily and is part of the job (which is why the insurance costs for doctors are so high).
    they knew she was at risk, and that the baby was not going to live. her water had broken, they were doing frequent tests to check for fetal heartbeat. it was apparently the law that prevented them (assuming it wasn't personal beliefs that stopped them)

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    Okay, a warning, let's not bash religion, IN ANY WAY, please, this can be discussed without bashing religion.

    I really wouldn't like to close the thread because of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtua View Post
    This. I think abortion is one of those things that should be limited to extreme scenarios...like the one featured in this news story. Sad that this woman lost her life due to the ignorance of that hospital.
    Abortion is against what I personally believe, but I'm not against making it legal, people should have the choice. But for sure am I disgusted when a hospital refuses to let their doctors perform an abortion on a woman who's life is being threatened by her continued pregnancy. To be honest, if I were a doctor, I couldn't stand idly by and let a woman die because of an antiquated law, but, it happened, hopefully there will be consequences for the hospital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vayshan View Post
    It just boggles my mind how "this is a Catholic country" can be said and taken so seriously in an institution that is founded and runs on science and not religion. Imo they commited murder. Just by letting the mother die. The foetus would've died anyway, so they should've saved the mothers life, like they're supposed too. Do the logical and rational thing, not the opposite. They're doctors, not priests.
    Agreed, a doctors purpose is to save lives and here they did the exact opposite. They already diagnosed her with a miscarriage so they knew the fetus was dead/dieing so the only right thing to do would be to remove the fetus and hopefully save the mother.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hastings95 View Post
    hopefully there will be consequences for the hospital.
    And a change in whatever "law" made this possible.

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    I think in scenarios such as these, one simply needs to step back and think about one thing: what is the decent, HUMAN thing to do? It's as simple as using one's intuition without inhibitions etc. If your reasoning dictates that the mother's life is a worthy risk to bring another life into the world then so be it. But if both are at danger and the child is the likelier to die of the two then it's damn obvious what needs to be done.

    In such a case I don't think any religion in the entire world dictates that you should sacrifice both the mother and child.
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    There needs to be manslaughter charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stuck4cash View Post
    What exactly are you appalled by? The fact that she wasn't allowed an abortion or the fact that the doctors are too afraid of the law to provide a woman with the health care that she required?

    In the 2nd case, it's possible that the doctors didn't believe she was at enough risk to warrant the termination. Unfortunately this is something that goes on at hospitals around the world daily and is part of the job (which is why the insurance costs for doctors are so high).
    Secret option C: Both. Seriously. I think that IS or it SHOULD be criminal.
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    This is crazy. As far as I know most pro-lifers still agree it should be done if the life of the mother is in danger, so the fact this happened is appalling.

    I hope this gives them the kick they need to change whatever laws caused this to happen in the first place.

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    What does dying from E.coli have to do with her not being granted an abortion?
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    The saddest part is, that if Mitt Romney and his buddies had their way, this would be the norm instead of just a really sad incident.

    I hope they sue the fuck out of that hospital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by damntree View Post
    What does dying from E.coli have to do with her not being granted an abortion?
    Sepsis != E Coli

    With Sepsis, your blood literally turns toxic to the body because it is infected.
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