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  1. #61
    It's a fantasy game...

    If it was real everyone would be using guns and Stormwind would be an industrialized city where Timmy and his mom would have to go work the steamrollers in the factory 16 hours a day for a copper.

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    So another reality-thread for a fantasy game. Thats all that has to be said...

    But to give an analogy to the real world:

    It nearly took 400 years development of guns, until they were used as the most common weapons. That was due to long reloading times etc. We don't have any reloading in WoW, because it would feel kind of creepy. Imagine it would take a hunter 2 minutes to prepare a shoot. i wouldn't want to play that... Besides: A blow from a sword can do as much damage as a gun, even more than "old" guns which weren't really accurate and not that fast travelling as bullets are today.

  3. #63
    A wizard did IT

    no matter how many fancy explinations you can give

    A wizard did it and wizard is continuing to do it and wont stop anytime soon.

    that was the short answer the long answer is

    magic serves the same function as alot of technology which has been shown to be unreliable at times and many high level mages/druids/shamans have spellpower and capabilities equal to wmds certain tech hasent advanced because its easier to perform with magic.

    but again to answer every single possible question in this thread from a technical standpoint not a lore standpoint

    A Wizard did It. :3

    examples and references here

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/11/2/

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AWizardDidIt

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/1/18/
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  4. #64
    A fantasy universe is a place where you can make technology work with magic, dodge bullets with mental training and use an axe to kill a giant robot, as long as you infuse your axe attack with some sort of magical/mental discipline only usable by those who master it with years of training. It does not make any sense, nor can it be explained by science. It's just imagination, imagining that our laws of physics, or even simple logic can be defied in a world which has " a reality beyond the comprehension of our ordinary and boring minds", kind of like religion but much less stupidity and much more brainstorm and fun.

  5. #65
    In LOTR, you can see lots of fireworks, but then nobody uses cannons. A world with magic doesn't need to make sense technologically. You can fire a gun, throw fireballs or enchanted daggers. If the writer wants, all of those cause the same damage. Why? Because it's a fantasy world.

    Those who don't know how to use a sword or cast spells can take a gun, but in this universe, lorewise, magic and enchanted weapons are usually much more powerful. Few main lore characters use guns, actually.
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  6. #66
    Give a Swordmaster, who has trained his swordskills for years and years "a superior gun" and send him to a gun fight. How effective do you think he can fight without his swords?

    You live in world with magic. You wear a magical armor, have a magical sword and are attacked by someone with a normal gun. Do you really think, a normal gun could just penetrate armor infused with magic? If not, how easy do you think it would be to mass create magical guns?

    Also, gameplay. Why do you think bosses enrage? Do you think they toy with us 10 minutes long and then think "*yawn* you are boring, I just now kill you with my full power"? It's a gameplay mechanic to not have endless fights. It is also a gameplay mechanic that swords are basically equal to guns in a fight.

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    I prefered the Wow to be less industrial, and more like a fantasy world. It's okay with goblins/engineers having some special items, but having a full fledge ever functional chopper is wrong. If it still broke down sometimes it would be fine with me.
    But suddenly they make perfect, presentday technology, which is kinda boring.
    Coming into a fantasy universe, to see what you can see when you look out of the window... apart from dragons, goblins, elves etc <.<

    I don't care for the damage their weapons do, i just think it makes it more everyday like and less special :P

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    I'll just put these two things here:

    1) In Azeroth, you can take a sword to a gunfight and it's not unreasonable for you to win.

    2) In real life, guns were developed well over 600 years ago. That puts them smack into the middle ages, in case you're wondering.
    If there's anything unrealistic, it's the huge amount of pseudo-middle-age settings without guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marston View Post
    Give a Swordmaster, who has trained his swordskills for years and years "a superior gun" and send him to a gun fight. How effective do you think he can fight without his swords?
    This rubbed me the wrong way.

    I had to convince myself to reply to this a bit... because after all I assume this forum has all sorts of users from age 9 up to 60+ ... and this comment seemed to be something I would've said when I was a 13yo girl with a love for fantasy and action figures and too much imagination myself.

    But... gunpowder revolutionised warfare like few other inventions before. Even the most primitive of guns, who were very inefficient, slow, inaccurate and dangerous to use on top, were so effective on the battlefield that it gave small armies the chance to completely annihilate massive armies and conquer and enslave nations that had tenfold their own population. So yeah... putting an untrained scrub teenager with a gun against a "swordmaster" is probably going to end with the swordmaster bleeding out in the gutter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    But... gunpowder revolutionised warfare like few other inventions before. Even the most primitive of guns, who were very inefficient, slow, inaccurate and dangerous to use on top, were so effective on the battlefield that it gave small armies the chance to completely annihilate massive armies and conquer and enslave nations that had tenfold their own population. So yeah... putting an untrained scrub teenager with a gun against a "swordmaster" is probably going to end with the swordmaster bleeding out in the gutter...
    Not when WoW's guns can only shoot a maximum of forty yards and WoW's swordmasters can jump that far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    But... gunpowder revolutionised warfare like few other inventions before. Even the most primitive of guns, who were very inefficient, slow, inaccurate and dangerous to use on top, were so effective on the battlefield that it gave small armies the chance to completely annihilate massive armies and conquer and enslave nations that had tenfold their own population. So yeah... putting an untrained scrub teenager with a gun against a "swordmaster" is probably going to end with the swordmaster bleeding out in the gutter...
    No, no they weren't. The most primitive of guns couldn't even pierce any halfway serious armor, regularly failed to fire, could not take humidity etc..

    Remember, the first guns came in the 14th century. The guns you're thinking of didn't come until several centuries later.

    On that note, even a modern 9mm pistol still has trouble beyond 50 yards.

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    None of the lore really points towards wow being completely medi-eval,

    All the technology is also either steampunk style (goblins/gnomes) or magical (Titan architecture), just look at Elegons room in MSV and Tempest Keep, they look very futuristic but look closer and they are not real world types of futuristic, they are more magic than technology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killington View Post
    No, no one can say that a sword is a better weapon than a gun especially the guns in WoW. Have you seen the guns in WoW? A lot of them fire at almost the rate of a modern day fully auto machine gun. Plus some of them have giant bayonets attached. There is No reason to still use bows/swords when you got that kind of weaponry laying around.
    You try to apply real world logic onto a game. If a shot could kill a being from the world of warcraft, everyone would use guns. Its not. You can survive frostbolt into your face, get hammered, a few hundread kg warrior charging on top of you, getting stabbed repeteadly etc.

    Its fantasy game in a fantasy world. Don't force real world's rules into the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killington View Post
    One thing about WoW that has never made sense to me is all the technology in this game. I was always under the impression that the world we play in was some kind of medieval fantasy type setting like LoTR but I was way wrong.

    Blizz has gone way overboard with all the tech in this game in the last few expacs. Everything from motorcycles, to helicopters, to hover rockets ect I mean what next? Jet planes? Computers? Are we going to be seeing Garrosh log into his facebook on his ipad while he's bored in Org? Will we see Thrall calling up Aggra on his new Samsung Galaxy S to check in on her?

    There is technology in this game that even surpasses things we have in the real world, like all these robotics we see in the game. I don't know about you guys but I've never seen anyone riding around on hovering rockets to get to work.

    That's the thing though, if the citizens of Azeroth have access to all this technology why even bother using swords,shields, bows and all that kind of primitive weaponry? Why not just pick up a gun since history has shown them to be a far superior weapon? Never bring a knife to gun fight anyone? You have rockets, bombs, guns all at your disposal yet you still decide to to use axes and swords? Why?

    Anyone else feel the technology in the World...of Warcraft is out of control and breaks the immersion a little bit?
    Ok FIRST, jumping from motorcycles, helicopters and rockets to planes, computers and smartphones.... is a little rediculous.

    Second, since when was the Warcraft universe supposed to be like real life?

    My third bolded section is pretty much answered by my second point...if it we're real life hunters would kill everyone pretty much instantly....except for plate wearers etc...

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    Here we go again. These topics always pop up from time to time.
    In my opinion, It's a fantasy world, so it doesn't matter what they do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killington View Post
    No, no one can say that a sword is a better weapon than a gun especially the guns in WoW. Have you seen the guns in WoW? A lot of them fire at almost the rate of a modern day fully auto machine gun. Plus some of them have giant bayonets attached. There is No reason to still use bows/swords when you got that kind of weaponry laying around.
    Because bow's are on par with guns (Shoot an arrow into someone, it hurt's like F and it takes ages to get out. Shoot a pellet/bullet into someone and it hardly affects your movement, but still hurts.)
    Guns are more expensive than swords and bows. A sword is more effective than a bayonette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    No, no they weren't. The most primitive of guns couldn't even pierce any halfway serious armor, regularly failed to fire, could not take humidity etc..

    Remember, the first guns came in the 14th century. The guns you're thinking of didn't come until several centuries later.

    On that note, even a modern 9mm pistol still has trouble beyond 50 yards.
    And swords don't have trouble beyond 50 yards? :P

    I was indeed thinking about the Turks in the 16th century when I was thinking of some of the most primitive guns (which they still were, just a miniature cannon on the end of a stick).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    This rubbed me the wrong way.

    I had to convince myself to reply to this a bit... because after all I assume this forum has all sorts of users from age 9 up to 60+ ... and this comment seemed to be something I would've said when I was a 13yo girl with a love for fantasy and action figures and too much imagination myself.

    But... gunpowder revolutionised warfare like few other inventions before. Even the most primitive of guns, who were very inefficient, slow, inaccurate and dangerous to use on top, were so effective on the battlefield that it gave small armies the chance to completely annihilate massive armies and conquer and enslave nations that had tenfold their own population. So yeah... putting an untrained scrub teenager with a gun against a "swordmaster" is probably going to end with the swordmaster bleeding out in the gutter...
    That's not even what I meant.

    You live in a world of constant warfare. And according to this thread, more and more technology appears. So why don't they all use guns?

    You basically get three options:

    1.) Let them use the weapons they were using for years and are experienced with.
    2.) Give all of them guns which most have probably never used. How effective do you think someone who never used a gun will be in war? You have to take into account how big the guns are, they have recoil, you need ammunition, blackpowder and what not. If you have fought years with a sword or an axe you didn't have to pay attention to those things.
    3.) Train them to use guns, but that takes time and because of the constant warfare you don't have this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    I'll just put these two things here:

    1) In Azeroth, you can take a sword to a gunfight and it's not unreasonable for you to win.

    2) In real life, guns were developed well over 600 years ago. That puts them smack into the middle ages, in case you're wondering.
    If there's anything unrealistic, it's the huge amount of pseudo-middle-age settings without guns.
    Have to disagree. Though there is no "end" to the middle ages, commonly its taken between 1450 (fall of constantinople) over discovering america (1492) to the beginning of the reformation (1512). In europe gunpowder was invented in 1324, but it took a long time til guns were used. Artillery was used earlier (an example would be constantinople), but for hand fire rifles it took much more time. Because of reloading and also the materials used, crossbows were used much longer. So technically the use of gunpowder in higher quantity IS the end of the middle ages.

    Also most middle ages creation use the high middle age which has taken place from 1050 to 1250. At least as long as you go for knights, mounted warriors, castles etc.

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    Btw. why do the Jedi use Lightsabers instead of superior Laserguns?

    Or why don't all protoss shoot lasers, some, like the Zealots or Dark Templers, are using energy blades.

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