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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiry View Post
    blame game is helpful...not. too much energy wasted imo.
    Unfortunately, it's a current and relevant issue if the Republicans intend to continue this petulant idiocy for another term.
    On the other hand, now that the election's out of the way, the President has a much stronger position than he had before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhamer View Post
    Less than half the population is registered to vote, and a large portion of the non registered population are underage. A larger % of registered voters voted this election than did in the past election. That is the beauty of this country. You have the freedom to choose. You can choose to vote or choose not to vote. Voting is not mandatory. That is why the republicans are so gung ho on restricting voters with voter ID laws. The create a solution for something there is not a problem for. People get prosecuted for voter fraud every year. 6-12 convictions yearly out of 110+ million votes cast. This is not an issue. However this has been the stance of the republicans since 1979, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw If you follow American politics when voter turn out is low republicans win when it is high democrats win. America is a center left nation on pretty much every issue.


    I do agree people need to wake up and pay attention. The more involved the better things will become. Just here in Michigan, our governor signed a bill that where he can place an "emergency financial manager" in any city that falls below his set financial standards. This person that he appoints supersedes elected officials and can do whatever he or she feels is necessary to get the city in order. The only thing these guys have done is void all union contracts, fire a tons of city workers and brought in private contractors that cost the city more. We turned out to vote in a big way to overturn this policy. All the while hearing our vote doesn't count, we have no power and the usual crap you hear from disinterested people. We got it done because we said enough. The more you know the more you want to be involved to make things better. Hopefully the Bush years and the teabaggers have woken Americans up.
    I read that and is so true

    And the shocking thing is that DETRIOT once the car manufacture mecca is lay in rune because the city official with there big $$$$$ bicker and do f### all for the city

  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by WNYIRISHGUY View Post
    I have to say this because i must be forthcoming * is a major rant *

    I want to talk about my jobs

    When i was work for those many years is was a hard and painful jobs but is was a union salary of $45.50 an hrs and that is good money why because i roses to the rank and did my job well but i notice there was something i didn't like

    one day i have union duties and * i am not going to name it * told the people who show up to get illegal immigrant to join the union at this job site, That right to have these low life people to join the union why so they can look good be welcome anyone even illegal now i didn't think of it and i did what i was told,But now looking back is made me sick that all those years working my a## and some smuck illegal get a free pass, And the disturbing part is that when the jobs order come in guess who got the first crack * the illegal * even thought they denied this practices but i have friend in the union told me they still do this,

    And then i got hurt i told you what the union did to me and is disgusting me even more that they can treat me and that i'm a shame that i do collected benefit from the state, That i resided in and i don't consider it freeloading or mooching because i pay into it and that my argument when i files my taxes..............................

    but i be damn to say that Illegal NEVER contribute a thing because they don't file taxes they cheat it

    But they know how to milk and manipulated the system for
    Food stamp
    Medicaid
    Medicare
    SSI
    WIC
    Rental Assistance
    And many many other assistance that is given to the illegal !

    And guess pay for it
    YOU THE TAX PAYER AND THANK TO THE LIBERAL HIPPIE AND DEMOC##T JUST GIVE IT TO THEM LOCK,STOCK AND BARREL
    Yet your republicans refuse to bring laws or vote on laws that would stop employers from hiring illegals. Laws that would incriminate business owners for hiring illegals. Set up improved worker identification systems so illegals can be weeded out of the system better. The problem is not that they come her and take jobs, its that employers of these jobs do not want to pay fair wages and benefits to hire Americans. If those jobs paid at least minimum wage you could have some interest from people here who need work. Stop the source of these low wage jobs that attract illegals here and there will no longer be a problem. Once you stop that, you won't have as many manipulating the system.

    And I can come up with another unproven untraceable anecdote about how unions do not want to have any part in illegal workers in their ranks. It is not hard to make up stuff on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYIRISHGUY View Post
    I read that and is so true

    And the shocking thing is that DETRIOT once the car manufacture mecca is lay in rune because the city official with there big $$$$$ bicker and do f### all for the city
    Don't even get me started on Detroit's city council.

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    Dude i seen the video on youtube !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhamer View Post
    Yet your republicans refuse to bring laws or vote on laws that would stop employers from hiring illegals. Laws that would incriminate business owners for hiring illegals. Set up improved worker identification systems so illegals can be weeded out of the system better. The problem is not that they come her and take jobs, its that employers of these jobs do not want to pay fair wages and benefits to hire Americans. If those jobs paid at least minimum wage you could have some interest from people here who need work. Stop the source of these low wage jobs that attract illegals here and there will no longer be a problem. Once you stop that, you won't have as many manipulating the system.

    And I can come up with another unproven untraceable anecdote about how unions do not want to have any part in illegal workers in their ranks. It is not hard to make up stuff on the internet.

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    Don't even get me started on Detroit's city council.
    I understand where you going but to my own union that i did * union duties * in the rain and 90 degree weather and the illegal get a free pass

    But also on the side notes obama need the hispanic/mexican votes and what did do get all the illegal and tell the consulate to sign the up for welfare and if you think the * right wing media made this up * watch this

    Mexican Consulate in Arkansas State Capitol


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    And how baaaaaaaaaaaaaad is detriot !

    Detroit so dangerous pizza has to be delivered by armed guards


    Detroit named `most dangerous
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpy View Post
    Unfortunately, it's a current and relevant issue if the Republicans intend to continue this petulant idiocy for another term.
    On the other hand, now that the election's out of the way, the President has a much stronger position than he had before.
    Not really fair to blame the Republicans when the Democrats do the same shit when the shoe's on the other foot. Neither party is at all interested in actually doing their jobs, just serving the special interests that fatten their bank accounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Cailan Ebonheart View Post
    The best you people can do is throw insults and lay your perspective on what a real adult is onto me but I will continue to reject them. And you will try and try again, force me into submission but I will continue to press on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    Not really fair to blame the Republicans when the Democrats do the same shit when the shoe's on the other foot. Neither party is at all interested in actually doing their jobs, just serving the special interests that fatten their bank accounts.
    Although there is a measure of this, there was a shocking jump in the number of filibusters after Obama was elected and the Dems had the senate and house, but not a supermajority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    Although there is a measure of this, there was a shocking jump in the number of filibusters after Obama was elected and the Dems had the senate and house, but not a supermajority.
    Oh, I agree, the GOP's been acting like a spoiled rich kid ever since the '08 election. But I don't think it'd be any fucking different if we had a Republican POTUS - it'd just be the blue boys cockblocking everything instead of the red team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Cailan Ebonheart View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    Oh, I agree, the GOP's been acting like a spoiled rich kid ever since the '08 election. But I don't think it'd be any fucking different if we had a Republican POTUS - it'd just be the blue boys cockblocking everything instead of the red team.
    Depends entirely on what is cock-blocked. I see the Dems as more willing to work with the GOP then the other way around, and the ACA (Obamacare) is a big flashy blinking light on that. I would quote Barry Goldwater again, but I'm sure everyone is getting tired of that quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    Depends entirely on what is cock-blocked. I see the Dems as more willing to work with the GOP then the other way around, and the ACA (Obamacare) is a big flashy blinking light on that. I would quote Barry Goldwater again, but I'm sure everyone is getting tired of that quote.
    To be fair, while I definitely agree with "socialist" stuff like nationalized healthcare (honestly, I just want to fuck every insurance company on the planet with a giant, barbed, flaming tire iron), I don't like the Obamacare implementation.

    I'd like to say the Democrats would be more likely to work with the GOP than the GOP work with the Democrats... but I just don't trust politicians. Not in our political environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Cailan Ebonheart View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    To be fair, while I definitely agree with "socialist" stuff like nationalized healthcare (honestly, I just want to fuck every insurance company on the planet with a giant, barbed, flaming tire iron), I don't like the Obamacare implementation.

    I'd like to say the Democrats would be more likely to work with the GOP than the GOP work with the Democrats... but I just don't trust politicians. Not in our political environment.
    I think the OBamacare Implementation is bad, yet it is what the GOP preached about healthcare reform for two decades, until the Dems were willing to go with it. Then suddenly it is horrible. I'd rather we had a Single Payer system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    I think the OBamacare Implementation is bad, yet it is what the GOP preached about healthcare reform for two decades, until the Dems were willing to go with it. Then suddenly it is horrible. I'd rather we had a Single Payer system.
    I don't really care what the implementation is as long as it's not fucking Communist (hurr hurr, specialists get the same pay as a garden-variety physician!) and it fucks over insurance companies.

    I can't express how much hate I have for insurance. Might as well build a fucking bonfire with all that money for all the good it does me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Cailan Ebonheart View Post
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    Its easy to not see Romney's point when you're not cutting the checks. Start paying 30% of your income in federal + State income taxes without getting a dime from the government and tell me you're happy about anyone not paying income taxes getting fed by the government, not to mention voting to take more of your money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiricine View Post
    Its easy to not see Romney's point when you're not cutting the checks. Start paying 30% of your income in federal + State income taxes without getting a dime from the government and tell me you're happy about anyone not paying income taxes getting fed by the government, not to mention voting to take more of your money.
    I do. Romney pays nowhere near that rate. I'm actually supportive of letting all the Bush Era Tax Cuts expire, and I'm one of those eeeeevil liberals you hear so much about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    I do. Romney pays nowhere near that rate. I'm actually supportive of letting all the Bush Era Tax Cuts expire, and I'm one of those eeeeevil liberals you hear so much about.
    Don't a lot of European countries have what looks like an obscenely high tax rate, but it turns out to not be as bad as it looks because those taxes pay for so many things that we have to pay out of pocket for here in the US?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Cailan Ebonheart View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    I do. Romney pays nowhere near that rate. I'm actually supportive of letting all the Bush Era Tax Cuts expire, and I'm one of those eeeeevil liberals you hear so much about.
    Wouldn't an evil liberal want to end the Bust tax cuts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    Don't a lot of European countries have what looks like an obscenely high tax rate, but it turns out to not be as bad as it looks because those taxes pay for so many things that we have to pay out of pocket for here in the US?
    Yes, those evil socialist utopias. They spend less money per person than our government on healthcare, have better response and cover everyone in the country. Of course they have less plastic surgery and other things, but that really doesn't bother me.

    I guess I don't understand the whole 'america has the best XXXX no matter what!' thing that some people like to repeat. Other people/countries do have good ideas, and bad ideas, just like the US. Why don't we emulate the best and reject the bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    Wouldn't an evil liberal want to end the Bust tax cuts?
    No no, an evil liberal wants to tax the rich because they are rich, or some stupid demagogery like that.

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    I do. Romney pays nowhere near that rate. I'm actually supportive of letting all the Bush Era Tax Cuts expire, and I'm one of those eeeeevil liberals you hear so much about.
    The tax rate has nothing to do with Romney, and the reason he pays so little are his massive charitable donations to the Mormon church. Obama nearly pays the same rate for similar reasons. Seeing as how we're paying 8% of the budget as interest on the debt, perhaps its time for the left to figure out an easy loophole to close here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiricine View Post
    The tax rate has nothing to do with Romney, and the reason he pays so little are his massive charitable donations to the Mormon church. Obama nearly pays the same rate for similar reasons. Seeing as how we're paying 8% of the budget as interest on the debt, perhaps its time for the left to figure out an easy loophole to close here.
    I already did. Eliminate Capital Gains being different than Income Tax, and then eliminate churches as charitable organizations, although the charities they run can still be donated to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    I already did. Eliminate Capital Gains being different than Income Tax, and then eliminate churches as charitable organizations, although the charities they run can still be donated to.
    Well itd be nice if i was the right and you were the left in congress it seems, its a shame our politicians are retarded. The only beef about taxing capital gains is that the corporations that earned the money and paid it out to shareholders already was taxed at corporate tax rates. But it would seem to make more sense to tax the capital gains rather than the corporate income to most I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiricine View Post
    Well itd be nice if i was the right and you were the left in congress it seems, its a shame our politicians are retarded. The only beef about taxing capital gains is that the corporations that earned the money and paid it out to shareholders already was taxed at corporate tax rates. But it would seem to make more sense to tax the capital gains rather than the corporate income to most I think.
    And? The Money I pay for my sandwich at lunch was already taxed on my income rate, so why do I need to pay sales tax? You aren't taxing the corporate rate twice, you are taxing the corporation once (although they most likely wrote most if not all of it off) and then you are taxing the shareholders for what they are payed from the corporation. I don't see an issue there.

    Edit -> It is like saying that I should only pay 15% on my personal income taxes because the corporation that pays me was already taxed on that money.
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