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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirque View Post
    Now, the chances that I ever meet said ganker or camper again is next to zero.
    Not entirely true. Cross-Realm Zones work on Battlegroups. You're likely to meet them again, but far less likely then if you were on the same realm. I do agree this might be a small issue, but that is just the way the game is now.

    If you can't handle it (Not specifically you, in general) then move realm. You started on a server designed for PvP, and then complain about PvP.

    ---------- Post added 2012-11-16 at 12:13 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Mengucekli View Post
    And let me tell you one more thing guys, especially to those talk about it being a pvp server and shit, pvp/pve/rp server difference belongs to 8 years old design basis of vanilla wow, where you would not have flying mounts and alternativeless leveling hubs. It was a long time ago and stuff changed.
    Fail to see why this matters. The reason this system feels out-dated is because we've not been using it for 5 - 6 years. The system works fine, and having servers defined for PvP, RP, PvE or RPPvP still work fine. What has happened though is for the first time in years, it actually matters what server you're one.

    As long as Blizzard keeps up with the Cross-Realm Zones, and more PvP incentives then that is all fine.

    Also, we have a lot more leveling processes then ever before. Dungeon Finder, Battlegrounds & Questing are all very different leveling processes that allow you to bypass parts of the game you don't want to interact with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mengucekli View Post
    Crz is an easily abused technology, and it is lowering the quality of the game. It should be fixed to protect lower level players from the top level players. I encountered some 90 people that only killed quest npcs and low level players, and evade if opposing 90 players come in the frame. Some people claim that you should change the questing location, but if you are a level 58-60 there is no where else to go but hellfire peninsula. What to do then, stop playing? Why should people stop playing their characters and their payed play time for Blizzard put some ridiculous technology? This is retarded to demand. There are many easy fixes to that situation. Blizzard can implement one to protect low level players. It is not about world pvp or pvp server. This is an obvious abuse. And let me tell you one more thing guys, especially to those talk about it being a pvp server and shit, pvp/pve/rp server difference belongs to 8 years old design basis of vanilla wow, where you would not have flying mounts and alternativeless leveling hubs. It was a long time ago and stuff changed.
    o.0.. I've bolded out the part that stood out, to me.

    So, uhm.. What's stopping the player from doing dungeons? Dungeons are GREAT exp. And DPS queues are right around 7 to 10 minutes. (Maybe this'll make the player think, "hmm, maybe I should try a healer/tank?". The game does not end because of forced PVP.. If anything, the "Forced" PVP makes the scrub-players quit because it's "too hard" Good, we don't need players like that.

    All in all, this is very avoidable. Do not roll on a PVP realm.
    (>^-^)>

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    My problem with CRZ is that when I zone out of Seven Stars on my flying mount or go from Jade forest -> Eternal Blossoms my wow window has a horrible crash that leaves me with a message box to tell blizzard what I was doing when my program had a hideous terminal error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laqweeta View Post
    All in all, this is very avoidable. Do not roll on a PVP realm.
    Yeah, because nobody has a guild or 10 fucking characters on a realm they chose years ago, with a financially impossible paid realm transfer option. How do you respond to that? "don't like ganking? Just shell out 3000 dollars". You pick and choose your arguments based on a player that does not exist. A player with exactly one low level character on a realm with no friends. Aka a strawman.

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    Oh man I love seeing the people telling you to:

    Go on another char
    Hearth
    Spirit Res (LOL)
    Log off
    Get friends to kill the ganker


    Let me explain something, it may be pretty tough to understand.

    What is the point in leveling another char if you keep getting ganked? What if a new player doesn't want to have 4 level 25s?

    Spirit Res + Hearth? If you notice, most zones have flying. Res Sickness = no questing.

    Hearth? Am I supposed to wait in stormwind for 4 hours until some guy leaves?

    Log off? I'm pretty sure logging off won't allow me to play the game.

    Getting a friend? What if no one I know is online? Asking in trade chat will get you nothing but harassment and trolling.

    PvP Zones/Realms are for PvP. But a level 90 killing a level 20 over and over is NOT what blizzard had in mind for PvP.

    CRZ is a good idea, but it was terribly implemented, like LFR.
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    Hyve, you stated the following:

    If you can't handle it (Not specifically you, in general) then move realm. You started on a server designed for PvP, and then complain about PvP.

    Please explain to me how it is PvP and not PvSitting Duck when a level 90 kills every low level in a zone when they can't defend themselves and then refuses to get involved in PvP when there is the likelihood of getting killed by an equal level player?

    As has been stated before, the PvP ruleset was created in Classic, when there were no flying mounts and a large group of level 40's could and would kill a level 60 disrupting the zone. Too much has changed since then and, what is now being accepted by a few vocal players who enjoy camping lowbies, is no longer PvP, it's plain simple griefing. A solution needs to be found before players start leaving for greener pastures. Remember that there are now many other games which have a fairer ruleset and are possibly just as immersive as WoW. We don't want to lose players to them.

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    I take CRZ and the reaction to players' unhappiness with MoP-dailies as indications how out of touch with their playerbase Blizzard has become. What responses I've read it seems Blizz is entirely happy with both despite unhappy responses from the playerbase. There is such a thing as vocal minority, but at least in CRZ the problems are very out in the open for anyone to see.

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    Imo CRZ is one of the worst features Blizz has ever implemented. Of all things to "get people out into the world" THIS is the what they came up with, what a joke.

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    people dont understand: RED = DEAD

    You join the World of Warcraft during one of the most tension ridden moments in history and it is YOUR DUTY to prevent the other faction from gaining strength.
    Your comitting HIGH TREASON, COLLUSION WITH THE ENEMY and whatnot, YOU are the one doing it wrong.

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    A really simple solution would be to only accept level appropriate players in cross realm zones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kane49 View Post
    people dont understand: RED = DEAD

    You join the World of Warcraft during one of the most tension ridden moments in history and it is YOUR DUTY to prevent the other faction from gaining strength.
    Your comitting HIGH TREASON, COLLUSION WITH THE ENEMY and whatnot, YOU are the one doing it wrong.
    Go back to your RP server.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kane49 View Post
    people dont understand: RED = DEAD

    You join the World of Warcraft during one of the most tension ridden moments in history and it is YOUR DUTY to prevent the other faction from gaining strength.
    Your comitting HIGH TREASON, COLLUSION WITH THE ENEMY and whatnot, YOU are the one doing it wrong.
    Hence the suggestion that there be level restrictions on PvP. The low levels will no longer be red to you and you can go about learning to actually PvP, instead of griefing any low level of the opposition that you can find. Even in war there is some honor and those who have none usually get tried for war crimes and even their own side disowns their behavior.

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    It's been said 10 million times already but the truth is you rolled a pvp server dude, tough luck. If you cant stand the heat then gtfo. Simples.

  14. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaydenkor View Post
    There is an EXTREMELY easy fix to this.

    Get a realid/battle tag friend on a PVE server, have them invite you. Wham, your on a PVE server, enjoy
    And, for the billionth time, the most ignored, yet correct answer comes to light.

    "I want to be on a pvp server but I hate pvp. Make the meanies stop being mean to me.". Maybe if they changed the name to "Pulls wings off butterflies" and "Likes puppies" servers people would figure it out.

    ETA: just so I'm clear, I sympathize, and I enjoy being ganked by higher level or better geared, or simply many, enemy players as much as the next person, but you clearly don't like this aspect of pvp servers, and this is the key feature of pvp servers. Please, for the love of God, tell me what you can do on a pvp server that you can't do on a pve server (in the pvp context) other than gank enemy players.

    For my money, as much as I hate Alliance, I'm so glad I rolled an alt on an Alliance PVE server, because now I know how relaxing it is to play WoW in a stress free environment, after four years of looking around carefully every time I touched down because even on my desolate pvp server, there is some kid taking a break from COD in pvp gear just waiting to pull the wings off your butterfly.
    Last edited by Ayonel; 2012-11-16 at 12:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avar ize View Post
    without knowing blizzard would do this in the future...
    Doesn't matter. How is this any different than a bunch of 90s from his server doing the same thing? It is not. It is PvP on PvP server. Stop bitching.

    Also, you agree prior to signing in for the first time that you, the player agreeing to the terms, understand that Blizzard may make any changes to this game at any time with or with out notice. So complaining about any changes to anything in this game are silly since you agreed to it in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayonel View Post
    And, for the billionth time, the most ignored, yet correct answer comes to light.

    "I want to be on a pvp server but I hate pvp. Make the meanies stop being mean to me.". Maybe if they changed the name to "Pulls wings off butterflies" and "Likes puppies" servers people would figure it out.
    Agreed. I played on a PvP server when I first started playing WoW and became very familiar with the mindset of, what I consider, the majority of players on them.
    Some people want the thrill of potentially being attacked by another player.
    Some people want to be able to attack unsuspecting players who happen to be questing in the same zone.
    Some people want to have the chance of random PvP to spice up the leveling experience.
    Some people want to ruin other people's day.

    The last group is the most vocal and, arguably, the most common. They are the level 90 player that sits next to the corpse of that poor level 20 character simply because they feel like taking their frustration out on somebody who cannot fight back or just being cruel.

    PvP servers is where griefers go to have fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhamer View Post
    Doesn't matter. How is this any different than a bunch of 90s from his server doing the same thing? It is not. It is PvP on PvP server. Stop bitching.

    Also, you agree prior to signing in for the first time that you, the player agreeing to the terms, understand that Blizzard may make any changes to this game at any time with or with out notice. So complaining about any changes to anything in this game are silly since you agreed to it in the first place.
    Really? Are you that thick? You pay for a service you have all the right to complain about. Blizzard could remove pvp alltogether tomorrow without prior notice. Would you say the same? What if they removed raids. Would you not complain? I mean after all, it's silly to complain about changes? I mean you did agree to it 1-8 years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Labruja View Post
    Please explain to me how it is PvP and not PvSitting Duck when a level 90 kills every low level in a zone when they can't defend themselves and then refuses to get involved in PvP when there is the likelihood of getting killed by an equal level player?
    At all points in World of Warcraft, you always had a maximum level player come in and kill you. What you're talking about has been around since the start of Warcraft. I recall being ganked for hours back in Classic because I only have a 60% movement speed mount, and they could swoop in on their 100% mount.

    Quote Originally Posted by Labruja View Post
    As has been stated before, the PvP ruleset was created in Classic, when there were no flying mounts and a large group of level 40's could and would kill a level 60 disrupting the zone.
    The PvP rule set might need a bit of updating, maybe even bringing back Dishonorable kills, but what you're saying still applies today and back then. If you get a large group of level 85's you can take a level 90 down. Although there were no flying Mounts, you did have 100% mounts for a minority of people, and 60% for the majority. While not the same advantage, it still was a big difference there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Labruja View Post
    Too much has changed since then and, what is now being accepted by a few vocal players who enjoy camping lowbies, is no longer PvP, it's plain simple griefing. A solution needs to be found before players start leaving for greener pastures. Remember that there are now many other games which have a fairer ruleset and are possibly just as immersive as WoW. We don't want to lose players to them.
    What has changed is the attitude of the community. The belief that PvP belongs only in Battlegrounds & Arenas is the problem. If I get ganked, killed or slaughtered in World PvP, I call my friends and guildies to come and help me. It turns into a long battle, or a 4 minute fight. Either way, I had fun, they had fun.

    I really don't see the point of getting upset. You're on a PvP Server. Whether or not you agree with the PvP System is a different matter, because the Cross-Realm Zones haven't changed anything, other then the amount of people available to PvP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Labruja View Post
    Hence the suggestion that there be level restrictions on PvP. The low levels will no longer be red to you and you can go about learning to actually PvP, instead of griefing any low level of the opposition that you can find. Even in war there is some honor and those who have none usually get tried for war crimes and even their own side disowns their behavior.
    The only war crime in world of warcraft committable by players is the killing of civilians which killing of a player never is.

    ---------- Post added 2012-11-16 at 01:45 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Shamgar View Post
    A really simple solution would be to only accept level appropriate players in cross realm zones.

    ---------- Post added 2012-11-16 at 01:28 PM ----------



    Go back to your RP server.
    Red = dead has nothing to do with RP, its the pvp philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuben View Post
    I take CRZ and the reaction to players' unhappiness with MoP-dailies as indications how out of touch with their playerbase Blizzard has become. What responses I've read it seems Blizz is entirely happy with both despite unhappy responses from the playerbase. There is such a thing as vocal minority, but at least in CRZ the problems are very out in the open for anyone to see.
    Actually you can't correlate the two. The forums are a biased minority. According to Funcom the industry standard of forum participators is about .5% of players. And of those posters they are usually people who want to complain about something. Statistics say if some one is unhappy with something they will tell at least 10 other peope about it. If someone is happy with something they will tell 2-3 people. The people happy with CRZ most likely express that in game to others and do not come to the forums about it. People unhappy with CRZ bitch like crazy ingame and on the forums. So taking any type of temperature about anything from a game forums cannot be considered a valid pool since it is a biased minority.

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