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    [BM] HoF Second boss

    The damage is..almost a 1shot for me.

    The second hit is 480,000 damage before any cds. We're having a great amount of trouble with it - I've been saving my Guard for the second Unrelenting thing each time, but even with shuffle, and Guard I'm still taking ~60% of my HP from 1 hit. Our 2 healers are just having a lot of trouble keeping up if the raid is taking any extra damage...

    Is there a way to reduce the damage, and if not how are other Monk tanks handling it?
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    No need to get a second stack before taunting. Tanks can taunt off each other at 10 secs before the debuff wears off. You can also stagger the damage.

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    Yeah, my first time last night there too. Was getting my ass beat and asked http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ith-Blade-Lord mid raid.

    @ gynshon, so is alternating 1 stack each tank doable?

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    To my knowledge the Strike has a 20-30 second cooldown and leaves a 45 second debuff. You should be able to Guard both strikes, and as long as the 2nd strike isn't killing you (with using your major cooldowns, Fortifying Brew etc) the other tank should be immediately taunting and there shouldn't be any risk of you dying so you can get healed up at a normal pace.
    Last edited by lawomous; 2012-11-16 at 05:05 PM.

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    Go 3 tanks.
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    Strange our monk didnt have any problem with surviving it and he wasnt taking that much damage... Check it here http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/a...?s=1690&e=2138
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    use dampen harm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larrabee View Post
    use dampen harm
    What he said. Along with using your Fortifying Brew if Dampen Harm is on CD. If you are going to be taking two, have a CD up.

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    Yeah I had no issues with this even without using fortifying brew/dampen harm.

    Basically just make sure the other tank taunts off you instantly after the overwhelming assault, then the healers can take their sweet time with topping you off (since you won't be taking any more damage).

    Otherwise, keep Shuffle up, then purify immediately after it hits. Have Guard up if poss, and use fortifying brew/dampen harm if required.

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    Tank A gets hit. Has 45 sec debuff. Tank B taunts. 30 secs later Tank B gets hit and gets debuff. Tank A has 15 secs remaining on his debuff with 30 secs to go on strike. Tank A taunts at 10 sec remaining and then Debuff falls off. Tank A gets hit, blah blah blah blah.

    There is ZERO reason to take 2 stacks of the debuff. Just make sure Shuffle is up, and Guard. You can Guard every one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gynshon View Post
    Tank A gets hit. Has 45 sec debuff. Tank B taunts. 30 secs later Tank B gets hit and gets debuff. Tank A has 15 secs remaining on his debuff with 30 secs to go on strike. Tank A taunts at 10 sec remaining and then Debuff falls off. Tank A gets hit, blah blah blah blah.

    There is ZERO reason to take 2 stacks of the debuff. Just make sure Shuffle is up, and Guard. You can Guard every one.
    It's not 30s, it's a "becomes available" style ability after 20s and it can be delayed up to 8-10 seconds from that.

    So sometimes you can get away with only 1 stack, but sometimes you will take 2.

    A brief, slightly snipped, version of a WoL to demonstrate:

    [22:32:29.445] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on N
    [22:32:29.445] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault N
    [22:32:29.445] N afflicted by Overwhelming Assault (2) from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [22:32:49.984] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Lakh
    [22:32:50.017] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Lakh
    [22:32:50.017] Lakh afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [22:33:11.717] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Lakh
    [22:33:11.717] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Lakh
    [22:33:11.717] Lakh afflicted by Overwhelming Assault (2) from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [22:33:14.461] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from N
    [22:33:32.237] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on N

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    Usually 2-3 times it lines up were one of our tanks have to take a second strike because the other tank still has 3~7 seconds left on it. It doesn't happen every time, but it does happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gynshon View Post
    No need to get a second stack before taunting. Tanks can taunt off each other at 10 secs before the debuff wears off. You can also stagger the damage.
    Are you 3 tanking it? Because we're getting a total of 3 stacks in 45 seconds unless one of his abilities delays the third(which did happen occasionally).

    The third strike comes AT the 44 second mark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakhesis View Post
    It's not 30s, it's a "becomes available" style ability after 20s and it can be delayed up to 8-10 seconds from that.

    So sometimes you can get away with only 1 stack, but sometimes you will take 2.

    A brief, slightly snipped, version of a WoL to demonstrate:

    [22:32:29.445] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on N
    [22:32:29.445] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault N
    [22:32:29.445] N afflicted by Overwhelming Assault (2) from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [22:32:49.984] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Lakh
    [22:32:50.017] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Lakh
    [22:32:50.017] Lakh afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [22:33:11.717] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Lakh
    [22:33:11.717] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Lakh
    [22:33:11.717] Lakh afflicted by Overwhelming Assault (2) from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [22:33:14.461] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from N
    [22:33:32.237] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on N
    I was using it as an example because someone else said it was 30 secs. I wasn't being definitive as the end all. I don't ever remember seeing myself or the other tank get 2 stacks in our Heroic kill. Just confirmed by log, no double stack. Our logs are back private since we are still in the race for progression as the #2 10 man in US right now. Can post the snippet if you like. Hell with, going to post it:

    Code:
    [22:48:10.848] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Genshin
    [22:48:10.900] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Genshin 42584 (A: 306561)
    [22:48:10.900] Genshin afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [22:48:34.996] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Twofive
    [22:48:35.043] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Twofive 85364 (A: 35313)
    [22:48:35.043] Twofive afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [22:48:55.867] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Genshin
    [22:49:13.209] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Genshin
    [22:49:13.209] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Genshin 260518 (A: 102573)
    [22:49:13.209] Genshin afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [22:49:20.022] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Twofive
    [22:49:37.736] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Twofive
    [22:49:37.763] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Twofive 116727
    [22:49:37.763] Twofive afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [22:49:58.224] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Genshin
    [22:50:11.109] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Genshin
    [22:50:11.134] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Genshin 207205 (A: 193191)
    [22:50:11.134] Genshin afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [22:50:22.734] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Twofive
    [22:50:38.047] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Twofive
    [22:50:38.065] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Twofive 226910
    [22:50:38.065] Twofive afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [22:50:56.118] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Genshin
    [22:51:11.434] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Genshin
    [22:51:11.480] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Genshin Absorb (318864)
    [22:51:11.480] Genshin afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [22:51:23.067] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Twofive
    [22:51:39.181] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Twofive
    [22:51:39.196] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Twofive 281879
    [22:51:39.196] Twofive afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [22:51:56.458] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Genshin
    [22:52:09.736] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Genshin
    [22:52:09.738] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Genshin Absorb (307760)
    [22:52:09.738] Genshin afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [22:52:24.190] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Twofive
    [22:52:38.684] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Twofive
    [22:52:38.691] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Twofive 124192
    [22:52:38.691] Twofive afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [22:52:54.737] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Genshin
    [22:53:23.690] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Twofive

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawomous View Post
    Hm I think you're right you only need to take one stack each if this is how it actually works.

    Strike CD
    0 - 30 - 60 - 90 - 120 - 150

    Tank A Debuff
    0-----45 60------105 120-------165

    Tank B Debuff
    ____30------75 90-------135 150---195

    etc. I'm not sure why tanks usually take two debuffs.
    Because the debuff doesn't always fall off the other tank before he strikes again. Typically tanks will have to take a second strike occasionally so that the debuff on the other tank can fall off. It isn't so perfect as you think. In 10man normal I'm finding him strike anywhere between 20-30 seconds depending on when he does unseen strike.

    @OP Make sure you're keeping shuffle up and don't be afraid to ask for defensive CDs from others, I'm assuming you have at least 1 druid, warrior, or paladin in your raid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEHPALLYTANK View Post
    Because the debuff doesn't always fall off the other tank before he strikes again. Typically tanks will have to take a second strike occasionally so that the debuff on the other tank can fall off. It isn't so perfect as you think. In 10man normal I'm finding him strike anywhere between 20-30 seconds depending on when he does unseen strike.

    @OP Make sure you're keeping shuffle up and don't be afraid to ask for defensive CDs from others, I'm assuming you have at least 1 druid, warrior, or paladin in your raid.
    Post the whole log snippet where you guys are taking double.

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    The debuff lasts for 45 seconds. He does the second strike when you're at approximately 25 seconds left of your debuff. He may use another ability, so the strike can be delayed a couple of seconds, and if you're "kiting" him then it's obviously delayed as he's not in range.

    The first strike should be easily covered with just having shuffle up, the second strike should be absorbed with dampen harm. If your dampen harm isn't back up the next time, that you're going to take the second strike just call for a healer CD.
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    Here was last week's kill on Heroic:

    Code:
    [19:59:36.649] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Genshin
    [19:59:36.795] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Genshin 175403 (A: 165443)
    [19:59:36.795] Genshin afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [20:00:01.958] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Twofive
    [20:00:02.162] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Twofive 229047 (A: 40506)
    [20:00:02.162] Twofive afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [20:00:21.689] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Genshin
    [20:00:38.125] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Genshin
    [20:00:38.272] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Genshin Absorb (292526)
    [20:00:38.272] Genshin afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [20:00:47.173] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Twofive
    [20:01:03.439] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Twofive
    [20:01:03.472] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Twofive 197902 (A: 12618)
    [20:01:03.472] Twofive afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [20:01:23.138] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Genshin
    [20:01:37.202] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Genshin
    [20:01:37.241] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Genshin Absorb (295993)
    [20:01:37.241] Genshin afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [20:01:48.458] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Twofive
    [20:02:03.713] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Twofive
    [20:02:03.736] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Twofive 252455 (A: 35691)
    [20:02:03.736] Twofive afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [20:02:22.238] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Genshin
    [20:02:37.517] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Genshin
    [20:02:37.607] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Genshin 146537 (A: 260252)
    [20:02:37.607] Genshin afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [20:02:48.770] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Twofive
    [20:03:04.044] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Twofive
    [20:03:04.222] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Twofive 137727
    [20:03:04.222] Twofive afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [20:03:22.525] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Genshin
    [20:03:37.802] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Genshin
    [20:03:37.934] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Genshin 55743 (A: 272878)
    [20:03:37.934] Genshin afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [20:03:49.067] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Twofive
    [20:04:04.334] Blade Lord Ta'yak casts Overwhelming Assault on Twofive
    [20:04:04.378] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Twofive 84124
    [20:04:04.378] Twofive afflicted by Overwhelming Assault from Blade Lord Ta'yak
    [20:04:22.817] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Genshin
    [20:04:49.385] Blade Lord Ta'yak's Overwhelming Assault fades from Twofive
    Maybe it is different between the normal/heroic versions of when he uses it? I realize 2 logs to pull from is a pretty small sample, but we are not seeing the double assaults when we do it the way I described.

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    Ah I apologize, looking at DBM's lua file it says this:

    local timerOverwhelmingAssaultCD - He will use every 20.5 seconds unless he's casting something else, then it can be delayed as much as an extra 15-20 seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gynshon View Post
    Here was last week's kill on Heroic:

    Maybe it is different between the normal/heroic versions of when he uses it? I realize 2 logs to pull from is a pretty small sample, but we are not seeing the double assaults when we do it the way I described.
    From what I can tell from that HEROIC log, his usage alternates between 25 seconds and 35 seconds.

    On NORMAL it's a 20 sec CD, where he often uses it on CD but it can be delayed up to 10 seconds~.

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