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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    I've read some first hand reports.

    Seems to me their primary complaint is that the company borrowed their pension fund contributions for a year and then declared bankruptcy. Unfortunately, that's exactly the risk you take when you lend money to someone. I'm not sure why the union contract even allowed such a thing.

    As for complaining how many billions the company took in and "still couldn't be profitable" quote, that simply shows an incredible amount of ignorance when it comes to running a business.

    Almost all I hear from them is how horrible it was that the company was trying to cut their pay. Yeah, it always sucks when you have to take a pay cut. But sometimes the company just can't afford what you're making. If it's that bad and your union can't help, then quit and move on. There's nothing to be done.
    I'm not entirely sure how you read the article you linked and took away from it that it was just "whining."
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolftech View Post
    Welcome to 0bama's America. Grab your popcorn because its just getting good. In a few months, it will make what is happening in Greece look like a discussion about a short drawer at McDonalds.
    Tell me again how your country would be better with romney as president..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aalyy View Post
    I would say good that it's less junk food to make people sick and fat but in reality something else will fill the market niche. I personally won't miss them. Besides, if you're in the mood for junk food that goes straight to your ass there's always Little Debbie's. At least that stuff actually tastes good.
    I hear opinions are objective facts.

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    twinkies aren't going away. maybe the brand name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Migas11 View Post
    Tell me again how your country would be better with romney as president..
    Them damn immigants would get what's comin' to 'em, that's what.

    Also, cell phones. Because that hasn't been debunked yet.

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    Twinkies are disgusting, i can only hope that they go the way of the Lawn Dart.

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    When is the last time you actually bought a hostess product? (anyone), with so many generics with the same ingredients and taste I bet it's been 10 years since I have.

    And when you really think about it, unless you are high or extremely drunk, twinkies are nasty. Dry little things with barely any filling at all.

    The only thing I would miss (if another company wasn't going to buy the pieces and still make all the products) would be wonder bread, and even that I haven't bought in a decade at least.
    Apply blizzards model to any other subscription service,you'd be outraged:
    Netflix adds no new movies for a year, you click a new movie, there's a $5 fee.
    You're in an accident, click your onstar button, but there's an addition $20 fee for them to help.
    You turn on your tv only to find all you get are the infomercial channels. Every other show is pay per view.
    See how dumb that model is?

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    It's unlikely the brand itself will die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silhouette of Seraphim View Post
    I'm not entirely sure how you read the article you linked and took away from it that it was just "whining."
    Easily. It was someone with obviously zero business acumen standing on a soapbox complaining that the big evil corporation didn't have enough money to pay him what he thought was enough money.

    His union should never have agreed to allowing Hostess to take their pensions contributions.

    A more honest approach would have been that Hostess was simply going to halt pension contributions for that year and the people would have to take a pay cut.

    What it wound up being was the employees collectively loaning money to Hostess. Loans get dissolved under bankruptcy. Everyone knows this. That's the danger of loaning money.
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    I wasn't really much into sweets growing up. I still am not. But my friends and family grew up enjoying Hostess products. It's like a childhood memory disappearing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    I hear opinions are objective facts.
    Nutty Bars>>>>Twinkies. In my totally factual completely non-subjective opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolftech View Post
    Welcome to 0bama's America. Grab your popcorn because its just getting good. In a few months, it will make what is happening in Greece look like a discussion about a short drawer at McDonalds.
    oh yes because any other political party would have fixed this?
    You only got yourselves to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silhouette of Seraphim View Post
    Was in Target earlier, the entire Hostess section was completely empty.
    Same thing in my local Safeway. Only thing left were their god awful powdered donuts.

    If I want mass produced stale powdered donuts, I'm getting Entemann's!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazzy View Post
    When is the last time you actually bought a hostess product? (anyone), with so many generics with the same ingredients and taste I bet it's been 10 years since I have.

    And when you really think about it, unless you are high or extremely drunk, twinkies are nasty. Dry little things with barely any filling at all.

    The only thing I would miss (if another company wasn't going to buy the pieces and still make all the products) would be wonder bread, and even that I haven't bought in a decade at least.
    again what has been stated is not fact you may hate them but quite a bit of people like them including myself and yeah hopefully they'll sell the recipe to another company.prediction I forsee idiots buying twinkies on ebay and amazon for over 1k dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightfist View Post
    Yeah, how dare that bitch try to encourage people to eat healthier! What does she think we are, a nation with an obesity epidemic?

    Oh...
    The criticism against Michelle Obama is perhaps some of the most vulgar and disgusting criticisms I've heard in politics in the last four years. Calling her fat? Calling her "Moochelle?" Bashing her because she wants kids to eat healthy? That's not only stupid, it's despicable.

    1. She is not fat, she has an athletic build and I find her to be a beautiful, classy woman.
    2. And what is the harm in promoting healthy eating? Do you want our children to grow up fat and unhealthy?

    Taking digs at the FLOTUS like that is pretty fucking low in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    I've read some first hand reports.

    Seems to me their primary complaint is that the company borrowed their pension fund contributions for a year and then declared bankruptcy. Unfortunately, that's exactly the risk you take when you lend money to someone. I'm not sure why the union contract even allowed such a thing.
    As I understand it from reading that article, they didn't exactly borrow the money, they took it without consent.

    As for complaining how many billions the company took in and "still couldn't be profitable" quote, that simply shows an incredible amount of ignorance when it comes to running a business.
    Twinkies and many other Hostess products are pretty iconic snack foods. I haven't seen a Hostess commercial in a rather long time, not sure if that's a symptom of their failing of a contributing factor. All in all with a product line as safe as what they have, they had to have fucked up somewhere hard.

    Almost all I hear from them is how horrible it was that the company was trying to cut their pay. Yeah, it always sucks when you have to take a pay cut. But sometimes the company just can't afford what you're making. If it's that bad and your union can't help, then quit and move on. There's nothing to be done.
    It seems as if you are saying that a complaint regarding wages isn't valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergtau View Post
    As I understand it from reading that article, they didn't exactly borrow the money, they took it without consent.
    Companies can't do that... not without approval from somewhere. I'm not sure how their pension is structured but I DO know that if they were paying money from their checks into the fund, there had to be approval from someone on THEIR side of the bargaining table.

    Twinkies and many other Hostess products are pretty iconic snack foods. I haven't seen a Hostess commercial in a rather long time, not sure if that's a symptom of their failing of a contributing factor. All in all with a product line as safe as what they have, they had to have fucked up somewhere hard.
    It's possible they did fuck up. It's equally possible that a nation that's sick of producing fat kids began curtailing hostess cake purchases.

    It seems as if you are saying that a complaint regarding wages isn't valid.
    As I said, it always sucks when you have to take a pay cut. If the company can't afford to keep you on, though... something has to give.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    It's possible they did fuck up. It's equally possible that a nation that's sick of producing fat kids began curtailing hostess cake purchases.
    Eh, I feel like you're giving our country too much credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jahasafrat View Post
    Twinkies are disgusting, i can only hope that they go the way of the Lawn Dart.
    As you can see from my avatar, this makes me sad.
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    Just another reason to disband unions.......
    Would you rather have the Meat Packing conditions outlined in Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle"? The very thing that started labor unions in the first place?

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