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  1. #81
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    Recession that its source was unregulated capitalism (or even corporalism), blamed on socialism and people try to fix it by... some more unregulated capitalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riidii View Post
    Somalia doesn't even have a government.

    Fail comparison.
    Thats the ultimate small government, and no taxes either. MUST be a dream country

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    Quote Originally Posted by araine View Post
    Thats the ultimate small government, and no taxes either. MUST be a dream country
    In the huge healthcare thread there was an anarcho-capitalist who was consistent in this case, and was praising Somalia for their functioning anarchy, their great development and that they are really better than all other countries in East Africa. The huge refugee camps full of Somalis just across their borders are just some weird coincidence, and unrrelated to the undeniable facts that show Somalian greatness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsey View Post
    Recession that its source was unregulated capitalism (or even corporalism), blamed on socialism and people try to fix it by... some more unregulated capitalism.
    Summed up best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kivimetsan View Post
    HAHAHAHHAA

    This straw man argument is hilarious. No seriously. Thank you.
    Somalia is oh so free market bro's! *sarcasm*.
    You know nothing about Somalia so shut your face.
    In other words: "I've got no counter argument so I'm going to tell you to shut up" Somalia has markets with zero government regulation and almost no governmental oversight over anything else. If you can convincingly argue why unregulated capitalism and minimal government won't be Somalia, Haiti, Afghanistan, or some other Hobbesian hellhole, I will eat my boot and post pics as proof.

    Typical anti freedom zealot that things he needs to force people to do things.
    People that think like you... actually no. See I respect your opinion and your right to say what you believe in. I would even defend your right to say that if it meant death.
    Typically, people who respect other's opinions generally don't tell people to "shut your face."
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    Back into recession? I though the recession from 2008 never really ended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riidii View Post
    Dead serious. Might want to take a look.

    Comparing the libertarian "limited government" ideal to Somalia is beyond stupid.
    Why? Because it shows that it's a terrible idea? Somalia is one of a handful of human societies that genuinely have no government oversight, yet anarchists and libertarians scotsman their way around the obvious challenge it presents.

    Remember, the burden of proof is on the individual challenging the status quo, not the individual defending it. You need to tell me why the law of the jungle won't rule without the law of man. I don't need to tell you why it will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    I know I'm a tad late, but I have to comment on this.

    I find stuff like this fascinating. This could be a monumental time in history, these next couple decades (yes, I realize that's a wide stretch of time). The nations that serve as the driving force towards transhumanism are being formed now. Whether a united Europe is a part of that or not could very well be decided soon.

    I understand that this is a bit insensitive, but from a purely observational perspective with an eye towards the future, I am excited to see how this develops.
    I find it fascinating too. It's kind of like watching the back story to a sci-fi novel unfold before our eyes.
    Last edited by Beavis; 2012-11-17 at 10:19 AM.
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    They need a larger government to control this recession. Obviously the private sector is failing them. Why leave up to the people who only want to make money?

    I'm sure the politicians know best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defang View Post
    They need a larger government to control this recession. Obviously the private sector is failing them. Why leave up to the people who only want to make money?

    I'm sure the politicians know best.
    Yep, that's why the US is in the shit and the EU is doing great. Austerity works! News @ 11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaril View Post
    Wonder how many posts we'll get in before someone blames it on Socialism.
    in a socialist society the whole country feels the pinch, while in capitalistic societies like america some feel it more than others which can highly skewer the results as to how bad it is.

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    It is quite intriguing how the left-wing nuts in here think limited government=anarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 55Egoist View Post
    It is quite intriguing how the left-wing nuts in here think limited government=anarchy.
    I don't think anyone here ever stated that, only that extreme libertarianism (which does equal, at best, barely any government) sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creamy Flames View Post
    Northern Europe is hurting? I haven't really noticed. Massive industrial protests? Haven't heard any of those either.
    They should just get rid of Spain, Greece and Italy. They're irresponsible and corrupt. Infact, let's get rid of quite a few countries out of the EU parlament as well, specificly the eastern European ones, let them take responsability on their own instead of hitching a ride.
    While conveniently ignoring that one man's loss is another man's gain.
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    Clearly you guys just need a good dose of American capitalism and no more of that commie bullshit like obama is trying to put on us!
    Obama is pushing against a tide of imbeciles in an effort to save the US economy. Hopefully with Romneys failure the tide will subside a little and shit might actually get done.

    Thats the ultimate small government, and no taxes either. MUST be a dream country
    If you like living in constant fear of being murdered for anything you own it's a lovely place to live
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    Sounds like Eurozone could use more austerity measures

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    Quote Originally Posted by TradewindNQ View Post
    Not so fast!
    Damn you, Kermy!

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    Weirdest thing is that to solve a crisis, money needs to spent, yet we always do the exact opposite. Generally in good times governments increase there spending and in bad times they cut spending. Logically we should cut spendings in good times and increase them in bad times. This idea of thinking would actually dampen the extreme high peaks (the bubbles) and the extreme lows (full blown crisis).
    As for the Netherlands dropping the hardest, we also have risen faster before the crisis so it's not something weird. Also people need to realize that paying taxes (and we pay quite a lot of them here) is not a bad thing. Taxes get spent again and mostly in you own country. Economy is a pump: there's only a fixed amount of monetary value and the worth of the economy is determined on many times that value passes through the system. We pay a lot of taxes, but we also get a lot back for it. Our strength lies in the fact that we have a quite large middle class and socialism has had it's part in that.

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    Why do people voice an "opinion" here when they know less than nothing about the topics at hand?
    Seriously, what is this shit about Somalia... I honestly can't believe what I'm reading.

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    Christmas spending will probably bump against the recession. There's been a lot of global economic unease this year hinging on the American elections and how it's going to unfold in the coming months with the tax breaks ending.

    Still I'm somewhat glad that the British government pulled out of the last bailout plan a few months back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfsage View Post
    While conveniently ignoring that one man's loss is another man's gain.
    Not sure what my country gain from the Suffering of Greece, Spain etc. We havn't been part of the bailouts, we did help out with Iceland, Ireland and the Baltics though.

    That being said, the last report I read said that Greece had made some small progress, which in turn meant the ECB and Euro countries have given them some slack. It's not all doom and gloom, I have no doubt we'll get out of this, but it might take some time. USA doing OK, will help out to, as long as the Euro zone don't drag them down instead. We'll see.
    The nerve is called the "nerve of awareness". You cant dissect it. Its a current that runs up the center of your spine. I dont know if any of you have sat down, crossed your legs, smoked DMT, and watch what happens... but what happens to me is this big thing goes RRRRRRRRRAAAAAWWW! up my spine and flashes in my brain... well apparently thats whats going to happen if I do this stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Methanar View Post
    Clearly you guys just need a good dose of American capitalism and no more of that commie bullshit like obama is trying to put on us!

    Calm down
    Nope. Bye.


    EDIT: Trolled
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