Even if Iran would attempt to take over Europe I wouldn't find it wrong. Afterall, that's what the entire NATO is doing down there.... However, that's not the case and there's NO proof to tell other thing.
The next world war wont be Arabs vs Jews or even North vs South Korea, it'll be Pakistan vs India. 'young countries', land dispute, actual armies, religious difference....nuclear power. boom.
Iran only wants nukes because Israel has nukes.
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If the West, primarily the US and Israel, just took the stick out of their butts in regard to Iran, China would probably dump them so fast it'd make your head spin.
I do not support any kind of WMDs but the thing is I have to assume the worst when it comes to Israel. None of these countries frightens me more than Israel and Pakistan, one controlled by extremist zealots, the other has the largest population of extremist zealots.
I honestly don't think anyone would use a nuclear weapon in the middle east, as its their own back yard. No matter who fires it first, it will just escalate to the whole middle east firing nukes at each other. I'm not saying war won't break out, but if one is fired somewhere over there at someone else nearby its not going to end well.
Seriously, Iran couldn't even shoot an US UAV over international air space out of the sky. What makes you think they will get a nuclear weapon? I'm not saying they aren't trying but I would be surprised if they achieved it. They are just trying to spread fear through the world of "What if, what if, what if?" and making tensions rise by doing so. It doesn't help the whole situation with Israel and Gaza going at it, but they have been going at it for YEARS, and will probably never stop fighting each other.
It's also silly to say that Japan was ready to surrender and the bombs had no influence. Sure, some people in Japan were ready to throw in the towel. But the vote to surrender came down to a deadlock. Wait, hold on, the vote AFTER THE ATOMIC BOMBINGS came down to a deadlock. It was up to the Emperor to personally step in and cast the deciding vote in favor of surrender. So of course everyone decided that was the best choice right. No. Not right. After the Emperor decided it was time to call it quits, which was after two atomic bombs had been dropped, there was an attempted coup by some members of the military, because they thought it was a good idea to keep fighting. It failed, and Japan surrendered. The Allies had called for total unconditional surrender, which Italy and Germany did. So Japan did like they were asked, right? HAHAHAHAWRRRROOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG! Japan surrendered on the condition that the Emperor maintain his position. That's right, Japan refused to surrender unconditionally and GAVE THE UNITED STATES A DIPLOMATIC REASON TO CONTINUE THE WAR. AFTER BEING NUKED. TWICE. And you better believe there were some in the US government who wanted none of that hogwash and to keep on fightin'. But cooler heads prevailed and they did some fancy diplomatic dancin' to say it was an unconditional surrender when it technically wasn't, because most people agreed that enough was enough.
Also, for screaming about how awful it is for Japan, that two of their cities got nuked, also remember these things:
1 - Japan lost its conquered territory (obviously), Germany lost its conquered territory (obviuosly)
2 - Japan kept its original home territory. Germany lost a large portion of its home territory in the east. (And I don't mean East Germany, I mean parts of what is now Poland and Russia)
3 - Japan was bombed from the sky! Germany was bombed from the sky! And fought over on the ground with tanks! And infantry! And shelled with artillery! And occupied by hostile ground forces while the war was still on who raped and killed and plundered and burned! And ransacked from one end of the country to the other!
4 - The Japanese home islands quickly rebuilt and became a global power.
5 - Germany rebuilt and became a global power. Well, I mean first what was left of the country that Poland and Russia didn't take was cut up into four pieces and occupied, and then it became two separate nations who didn't get along and wasn't put back together for almost 50 years.
So.... yeah. Germany had it worse than Japan.
But believe what you want, 'cause nukes are bad.
WoD: Time travel causes the expansion. The expansion itself is not about time travel. This is not complicated.
Read what Eisenhower, MacArthur, and Nimitz said about it. Not really interested in derailing the thread, but know that your opinion, though it is widespread, isn't really as much a fact as you think. USSR had just joined in, and there's very good reason to believe we wouldn't have had to eventually invade, and even if we had, we had months to decide. Instead, Truman made the call to drop the bomb the first day we could.
On-topic, I saw a story on PBS mentioning this report. They used the words "Weapons-Grade Uranium". Do they mean 20% or what? Did 90% enrichment enter the picture sometime and I missed it?
Don't see the issue, save for the usual Western hypocrisy. If people wanted to worry about anything in the Middle East, they've would've began long ago with Israel giving the middle finger to numerous UN resolutions with their illegal occupation of Gaza and the quest to expand more illegally/unjustifiably as they have with the creation of their country to begin with. Were the issue about giving land back to its rightful owners, Native Americans would be celebrating in the streets.
If you cannot command, then you must obey. - Prince Nuada