I've never asked for dailies to be removed, simply for other options to bought in to line so that there is legitimate choice about how to obtain things. Crazy I know but it's a game and should be enjoyable.
I realise trashing people who hate dailies is the cool thing to do on these forums at the moment, but every poll that's been done here ends up about 55-45 to people who loathe them vs those who love them. There is a significant part of the playerbase who think this is garbage, and no amount of being scolded by people who can't cope with the fact that it's a matter of opinion and that not everyone plays the same way they do is going to change that.
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And I never said anything about raiding in my post that you quoted, but you referenced raiding. So the only thing I can think of, is that you have a comprehension problem. It is also possible that you quoted the wrong poster, if so disregard this!
Instead of dailies, Blizzard should make story lines through quest chains which allow you to gain rep with factions (depending on which chain you're doing). These chains should be challenging and interesting (no mindless zombie killing over and over again). They would provide a good story and possibly grindable mobs on the side (i.e. there are certain enemies you can grind next to doing the quests). Think of chains like the Karazhan attunement without all the traveling! These questchains should include elite mobs that require more than mindlessly spamming "insert powerful attack here". These quests can take you into dungeons, etc.
There was a good example for solo content a while back although in my opinion it had a little too much grinding in it. I think the idea was to create a set of islands near Pandaria with elites and whatnot on them. In my opinion the base of that idea is really good! It would be a good way of gaining reputation without having to do a billion dailies but you won't get everything on a plate either.
All this complaining is simply further proof that Blizzard could send each and every player a real-life wish-granting flying unicorn carrying a solid gold plate of chocolate chip cookies wrapped in hundred dollar bills, and someone would whine that Blizzard sucks for not letting them choose oatmeal raisin.
Went from difficult in Cata to sleep material in MoP. WotLK had the right balance between difficult and easy. What's going to take so long leveling Kev is due to the sheer boredom and just wanting to goto bed, instead. It's THAT boring.
I can just imagine how the rep grind will be. -_-
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I'm still leveling my main to 90. I just got MoP a week or so ago, and I'm taking my time with it. Here's how I'll be approaching the dailys:
1) One or two reps per day, focusing first on largest power upgrades.
2) My Hunter is Engineering and Leatherworking. There is no gating on Engineering patterns, which just leaves Leatherworking. This makes Golden Lotus an easy target for first rep to grind, plus 3 epics (ring at Honored, and chest/shoulders at Revered). The Klaxxi will probably be the other, with The Tillers shifting in priority depending on how much I care about farming.
3) I will probably ignore the gear upgrades for my alts. They are basically crafting alts, so I will be focusing solely on the reps that benefit their specific professions, with the possible exception of the Order of the Cloud Serpent.
4) Only my Hunter will be getting Exalted with all the reputations. It's my main, and I see no reason to get Exalted with every rep on every character, except OCS so they can all ride the lovely Cloud Serpents.
5) I won't be doing the dailies every single day on every single character. My Hunter will likely be my only 90 for some time, so probably by the time I get another to 90 he may already be Exalted with everything.
6) You don't need to do ALL THE THINGS EVERY DAY ALL DAY. The expansion's going to be around for at least 1.5-2 years which is plenty of time to collect and complete everything. I still have old stuff to grind out, and if 5.1 brings the ability to run old raids without actually requiring a raid group, I can see myself being extremely busy, and never ever bored of things to do. Heck, I still haven't even maxed out Archaeology and Loremaster. I took a great majority of this year off from the game, so while everyone else was bored with DS but still grinding it out every week, I was out getting fresh air.
Sure, you can skip the dailies... in the same way that you can skip wearing pants to a job interview. Good luck explaining to a trade pug that you CAN clear the bosses in blues when most people in trade have a good bunch of valor gear already and good luck explaining to a proper raiding guild that you're not going to do the work to gear up yourself because you'll just get gear on guild raids. You're locked out of raids if you don't do dailies, you're locked out of professions, most of the RP content is tied to dailies this time and you'll have no reason to do heroics since you'll end up with a 460ish item level very fast and the valor is useless without reps.
There's a lot of things to do *if* you first grind reputations. There's *nothing* besides LFR if you don't and I've yet to meet anyone that actually likes doing LFR.
I don't have problems putting in effort to get stuff, but why does that effort have to be in something as boring as dailies? If they gave me the alternative of running a challenge mode as a daily quest and get a rep item as reward that gives me the same amount of rep as doing a set of dailies for one faction, also locking me out from said dailies for that day (unusable if I already completed them), that would be awesome. This doesn't include queuing for anything, does not give me any other gear reward like heroic dungeons would, makes me go out in the world to summon the lazy dpsers, is the kind of group activity I expect from a MMO, but most important of all: it's actually fun.
Also, I don't get why people keep comparing the daily grind to TBC. The factions you could actually get good gear from in TBC were grindable in dungeons or by killing mobs. Only ones I can remember that you actually had to do dailies for were Ogri'la and Netherwing. I never bothered to get exalted with Netherwing as it was just a mount faction, and as I recall, you didn't need much rep with Ogri'la to be able to use the epics that you had to repair with those apex crystals (shards?).
To be honest, I wouldn't mind a grind with reasonable returns either (like getting rep from killing mobs or upping droprate on those keys or klaxxi shards) since then I can at least chose when I want to do my repgrind rather than only being able to do it once per day, feeling like I'm after if I miss one.
The problem is that you dont get much valor for running dungeons
The problem is that valor gear is tied to reputation
The problem is you could get ganked for hours trying to do dailies
The problem is LFR loot distribution (I explained a much better loot system in a LFR loot system thread)
There you go, now you know why people "constantly crying" as you said over the fact that they have no option but to do dalies
Now the difference between being in 5 man drops and being in valor gear is similar to what the difference between having blues and heroic mode raid gear is and since the valor gear is a reward from a trivial but time consuming grind we are getting massive inflation in item level expectations.
I like how people in this thread are missing something rather important: Yes, alts can just live off of LFR.
Heart of Fear and Terrace of Endless Spring require 470 itemlevel while Mogu'shan Vaults only require 463. What's that, only 7 itemlevels difference? No problem?
What about bad luck. Try running Mogu'shan 2 weeks in a row and only get gold.
My warrior was barely able to get 470 itemlevel, that was only because I did dailies for rep (and I had already done it on my main once) and got a temporary item to fill a slot.
My shaman is on 467 itemlevel for weeks now. I refuse to spend gold on AH, and I don't want to do dailies for rep. I want to get its gear from LFR. But guess what - I have no luck whatsoever and thus haven't been able to do HoF so far on that character.
My DK is on 463. 0 drops since the start of expansion in LFR. Zero. Null. And yes before you ask, I leveled all those characters up within the first week of MoP.
I top healing on my shaman. I take 0 hits from devastating combo on my warrior and DK (both tanks), as well as manage cooldowns and everything else perfectly well, explain tactics for HoF etc etc. Good players seem to get punished with rng.
Whoever thought it was a good idea to make HoF and ToES require higher itemlevel was an idiot and should be fired.
But the further we get in the expansion the less it matters.
Agreeing that you really don't need the same recipe on 5 alts. That's silly. Make the cloth on each alt, and send it all to the one that have the recipe, and be happy with the saved time
I did the dailies in the beginning and got most to revered rather fast(i hate dailies), which was what i felt was needed the first days since i didn't know when we would be ready to raid. Was wasted time, but didn't know that back then.
Now i just take it slow with the rest. I know my tailor will have to get to revered for his bags, but that's about it.
So overall i agree with OP :P
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You could buy things of AH, or lvl BS up, for chest and gloves. Do sha of anger and hope for drops there. Lvling in Dread Waste makes you honored with klaxxi from what i recall, so you can get some gear there with a bit of luck. Buy/make a trinket. Now you have not done any dailies, but er getting close to get in, in the new raids on LFR and rage about not getting 5 loot-items first time.
Everyone has so much to say
They talk talk talk their lives away
Lets hope it doesn't get cataclysm - easy.Once we are a patch or two into the expansion leveling and gearing alts will be as easy as you remember it (and I'm referring to selective memory here).
There you played an alt for what 2 days after a patch and were left with nothing to do but grind valor again.. <_<
You know, the 8th anniversary bonus seems pretty funny now. Bonus reputation from kills, woah! That will be so helpful when grinding ... um... well... Wait, the only reputation you get from kills is Prince until honored.
Not a big thing, but still - pretty amusing.
Also, did another person just post about getting Shado-Pan honored from questing? It doesn't happen unless you're a human or use some other reputation bonus in addition to guild perk. Otherwise, you're "almost there but not quite".