I hope the rep situation doesn't change...

[Hoochlol]

Oh lordy, somebody has selective reading.

And then you go on to contradict yourself. I also like how you snipped what I said to answer it in the bits you wanted to see. If you actually read what I said, I said I could think of 6 or 7 that had dailies, that had no effect at all on progression, which is completely correct. I am well aware of dungeon rep with the main factions. That however is completely different to what they have done in MoP, you are missing the point entirely. Example 1, skyguard, as I said, this is one of the 6 or 7 factions that were optional, just as ALL CURRENT DAILIES IN MOP.

The difference with tbc, was the factions held designs, patterns and so on, the badge gear wasn't dependant on faction standing and was actually worth getting. Unlike the very few pieces of valor gear now, which are a bonus if you CHOOSE to do dailies. If you don't then it really doesn't matter, not one little bit.

It seems you are trying so hard to make excuses as to why MoP dailies MUST BE DONE, when they clearly aren't, dailies are more optional now then they have ever been in the past. EVER.

[Kevyne-Shandris]

The difference with tbc, was the factions held designs, patterns and so on, the badge gear wasn't dependant on faction standing and was actually worth getting. Unlike the very few pieces of valor gear now, which are a bonus if you CHOOSE to do dailies.

Being a tradeskiller, losing out on mid-tier and end-game recipes is not a choice.

Ashen Verdict in WotLK had the epic end-game recipes. In Cata Molten Front had 365 and raids dropped the end-game recipes (TBC style...blah). Those with tradeskillers who wanted to make use of tradeskills (to pay for leveling costs at least) grinded the reps as there were no other choice...BoP recipes are like that.

It's strange folks claim these things are optional, and probably more because they don't tradeskill fully.

[Luciferiuz]

Being a tradeskiller, losing out on mid-tier and end-game recipes is not a choice.

Ashen Verdict in WotLK had the epic end-game recipes. In Cata Molten Front had 365 and raids dropped the end-game recipes (TBC style...blah). Those with tradeskillers who wanted to make use of tradeskills (to pay for leveling costs at least) grinded the reps as there were no other choice...BoP recipes are like that.

It's strange folks claim these things are optional, and probably more because they don't tradeskill fully.

So what I'm hearing is... the way that you choose to play the game includes choosing to do all of the factions because you can't play in your chosen playstyle unless you can get all of the patterns that you have chosen to believe that you need?

Yes. I see how they are forcing you now.

[Kevyne-Shandris]

So what I'm hearing is... the way that you choose to play the game includes choosing to do all of the factions because you can't play in your chosen playstyle unless you can get all of the patterns that you have chosen to believe that you need?

Yes. I see how they are forcing you now.

So what I'm hearing is...If you don't want to get anywhere in WoW chose to do nothing.

Makes a great game by wasting millions of dollars each expansion on fluff, right?

[Leonard McCoy]

I sense something. A presence I've not felt since...... Cataclysm. History repeats.

[Vyce223]

I haven't really read anything past page 3. However while I... HATE dailies. I do enjoy doing dungeons as for some reason they don't seem to get stale for me at least... as quickly and if they do I can always do them in a different spec.

Again since I have not really read all the pages and maybe someone has said this but it can make both sides happy (possibly).

Since the two major sides are:

A: Keep dailies the only source of faction rep gains.
B: Add another source or add tabard gains back.

Why not add dailies into the dungeons. At say friendly or higher of every faction (Yes that forces you to do most of the available dailies that rotate.) they would have 2-3 or so rotating Dungeon daily quests. Since nearly every dungeon has areas that are not traveled things can be added there to kill and or collect.

Take for example Shado-Pan reputation and Shadow-Pan Monastery you have a daily that would give you a quest to kill a... Sha-corrupted ghost of some Shado-Pan warrior that would be placed in the hallway after the first boss where the Sha are moving about and there's a throne to the right that has NOTHING there currently but an empty throne.

It's a slow way to gain rep. However you will eventually get the rep you need even if it's only 500 rep per day.

[Suizid]

So what I'm hearing is...If you don't want to get anywhere in WoW chose to do nothing.

Makes a great game by wasting millions of dollars each expansion on fluff, right?

So just cause some people choose to be vegeterians all the meat in the world is wasted?

[Kevyne-Shandris]

So just cause some people choose to be vegeterians all the meat in the world is wasted?

Or vice versa?

It's a pointless argument, as it's up to the gamer to decide...not others.

[Henkdejager]

let me just squish in here for a moment and say to all you folks here , that doing dailies is NOT required and having alts is possible.

2 points on this matter and for the love of god read them and don't be a retard and ignore it.

point 1 , it's my own playstyle. i got my hunter to 90 and started with the cloud serpent / golden lotus. once the cloud serpent on exalted i only did the golden lotus. now with the golden lotus on revered i can finaly go and do my shado pan dailies for the mount / head transmog wich i wanted since the beginning they showed them in the beta. i am almost exalted with them , did i have to give up anything ? like my alts? my gear ? my fun ? no not at all! because only doing 1 rep at a time or maybe 2 if they are close together , gives me plenty of time to do other stuff! i got the cloud serpent exalted , golden lotus revered , shado pan revered ( almost exalted) and i got the august celestial on half to revered as well, as u can see i did not bother to do the others as of yet. but here if my point : i got 2 lvl 90s, 1 is good geared for PvP combat the way it is now, and the other 1 is still gearing, i got an 89 monk who is almost 90! did i have fun ? yes! did i do any scenarios ? yes! did i do sha of angar every week? yes! and look at my daily reputation! all fine for now.


now point 2 how my friend did it .
he dinged lvl 90 and he really hates question on his main char , i don't know why it makes a different but what ever. the moment he dinged 90 he went straight into hcs ( he bought some 450 gear he missed in the AH for 500/600g a piece) and went gearing that way , within 3 days he was full 463 and he was ready to tank mogu shan vaults. they got till elegon the second week MoP went live , wich is not bad for a casual guild who only raids on fridays / saterday's . yet he maybe done 1 or 2 days dailies and then he gave up! his tank is full geared and ready to take on mogu shan vaults , yes maybe not heart of fear or terrace of the endles spring , but thats why he got to gear up in mogu shan normal/ LFR , wich he did.

if u are telling me , you NEED to have all your chars on exalted with EVERY rep , u are not a casual and u are plain dumb. whats the point ? once u reach exalted with all your chars ( for the gear that is , for recipes i understand!) they probarly add some hc's wich dropps the same item lvl as those!

so think before u QQ and think over your options , caus hearing : " omg i gotta have all my 9 chars to exalted and it takes way to much time" makes me sick of reading forums. caus if u got 9 lvl 90s what are u trying to do with them in a beginning of an expansion ? first expansion u are the level cap to begin with or what ? as for as i recall , in TBC u could't have 9 alts lvl 70 and have them full geared in the first 2 months. and neither did wotlk in the beginning. in the end maybe.

[Windfury]

let me just squish in here for a moment and say to all you folks here , that doing dailies is NOT required and having alts is possible.

/snip

Nice explanation, could you explain how I can get profession patterns without dailies please?

Regarding the posts above nobody is disputing dailies are optional, every single thing in the game, including the game itself, is optional. However participating in aspects of the game requires dailies, and people who want to participate in those things do need to do dailies. They don't enjoy them, and want another equal but different path to get to their goals, which is not unreasonable given that this xpac is supposedly meant to give players options about how they play and allowing people to play the game they enjoy. I'm not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.

How would all the people who think dailies should be the one and only path feel if the one and only path was say arena? That has as much relation to the outcomes as dailies do. Would you be ok with that? I mean you wouldn't have to arena after all, it's all optional right?

[Hoochlol]

If the only path was arena, we'd still have the CHOICE not to do it. I am starting to see it is hard for some people to understand, maybe they are CHOOSING to ignore the facts.

Basically what you are saying, is that you want to be just handed patterns for logging on. Return of the Lich Babies.

[Brian23]

It's not a legitimate solution because it makes running dungeons too rewarding. Dungeons already give you everything you need, and makes you fully prepared for both raiding and LFR. From raiding you get even better rewards than the valor point gear, so there really is little to no reason to get the valor gear unless you wish to get that extra bonus advantage, which should take a bit of extra effort outside of the stuff you already do.

What? You can max out at 463 and still have plenty of problems progressing from there. I hate this idea that Dungeons give you everything you need to move on, they get your foot in the door but the people at the top (IE: The Hardcore Progression Raiders) make grinding your dailies and getting the Valor gear a priority.

Its also insanely annoying to A. Have to grind 1 rep to be able to do 2 others you want and B. Use Valor you've already earned elsewhere. Without doing the grind, Valor is kinda useless.

[SherbertLand]

Because it's even more repetitive on alts, because crafting patterns are hidden behind rep grinds (which is my main reason for lots of alts personally), because some guilds like you to have more than one toon at a certain level of gear etc etc. I'm going to be doing those dailies for the rest of the xpac just for patterns personally.

Why would you do them the rest of the expac? It takes like a month total to get exalted if that. And you can get those enchants and patterns made by other people, so that's just a choice you're making.

[Windfury]

Why would you do them the rest of the expac? It takes like a month total to get exalted if that. And you can get those enchants and patterns made by other people, so that's just a choice you're making.

Yes it's a choice, everything in game is a choice, the game itself is a choice. Why do people keep repeating that like it makes a difference? Everything is optional, but if you want to do one optional thing then you have to do another optional thing, and people don't like that other optional thing. It's not fun, creative or compelling gameplay for a lot of people. Why is it that hard to grasp? I play as a crafter. If I'm not able to play the economic game then no, I have no interest in playing, there is simply no game for me. Without choosing to do dailies I *can't* choose to play the part of the game I want to play.

And I'll be doing them for the rest of the xpac because I barely have time to do them now. I have not yet opened up shadow pan and august celestials on my main and I do actually try to do dailies on that toon when I am able to log on and have a free minute. I am realistically only able to complete a full set of dailies once a week if that. Add in the fact that I then need exalted with AC on multiple toons for various patterns then yeah, all xpac seem like a reasonable assumption.

[Stede]

So, we all see a minority of people constantly crying over the fact that they feel as they have no option but to do dailies, and I cannot for the life of me see why they feel that way, it literally baffles me.

Okay - so they don't understand why dailies are the way they are, and you don't understand why they have a problem with them?

Solution - everybody shuts the fuck up.

--Snip--

^ Because nobody gives a fuck about your story, and the only sad part about it is that you think we do.

[LuminousAether]

How many alts do you have?

I have two alts, both raid geared, and I completely agree with the OP. I don't do dailies on my newest alt and I was geared enough for HoF LFR within 2 afternoons of light playing. The people crying about ilvl, especially ilvl to get into LFR, are simply horribly bad players.

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Yes it's a choice, everything in game is a choice, the game itself is a choice. Why do people keep repeating that like it makes a difference? Everything is optional, but if you want to do one optional thing then you have to do another optional thing, and people don't like that other optional thing. Why is it that hard to grasp? I play as a crafter. If I'm not able to play the economic game then no, I have no interest in playing, there is simply no game for me. Without choosing to do dailies I *can't* choose to play the part of the game I want to play.

And I'll be doing them for the rest of the xpac because I barely have time to do them now. I have not yet opened up shadow pan and august celestials on my main and I do actually try to do dailies on that toon when I am able to log on and have a free minute. I am realistically only able to complete a full set of dailies once a week if that. Add in the fact that I then need exalted with AC on multiple toons for various patterns then yeah, all xpac seem like a reasonable assumption.

Exalted with AC on multiple toons? What? AC has a scant few recipes. There's a tailoring bag recipe at exalted. There's some bracer enchant recipes at revered. That's it. Four recipes total, only one requires exalted. What the Hell are you talking about?

[Pancaspe]

Unfortunately as it shows in the history of the WoW community they ask for something then when it gets put in game they complain like crazy as if its broken the game.

Bingo! People cried on The Forums for Blizzard to FORCE people out of the cities and back into The World.

[Windfury]

Exalted with AC on multiple toons? What? AC has a scant few recipes. There's a tailoring bag recipe at exalted. There's some bracer enchant recipes at revered. That's it. Four recipes total, only one requires exalted. What the Hell are you talking about?

Apparently people can have multiple alts with the same profession nowadays.