Who is worse Blackhand or Garrosh?

[Trassk]

Blackhand. Garrosh is Napoleon. Like it or not, Napoleon wasn't "evil", but misguided Nationalism and a sense of pride that only came from dominating others simply doesn't work.
As hard as that may seem to believe it is true. The wisest and most likable orcs in WoW are Blackrock and Frostwolf Orcs. Saurfang, Eitrigg, Thrall and Drek'thar.
Grom and Garrosh are a bunch of warmongering barbarians.

I do believe exceptions to the rule apply, such as in Eitrigg's case.

[xChurch]

Garrosh, since Blackhand wasn't really in control of anything.

[Rupture91]

Garrosh for sure since he is pretty much just a little child. He kinda reminds me of Joffrey from Game of Thrones lol. Ill stop there since i don't want to spoil anyone who hasn't seen/read the series yet..

[sam86]

"Blackhand" but only because he was puppet of Gul'dan willingly, and Gul'dan is unquestionable one of most evil characters in history of wow

[Rend Blackhand]

"Blackhand" but only because he was puppet of Gul'dan willingly, and Gul'dan is unquestionable one of most evil characters in history of wow

I rate him as the single most evil mortal in the Warcraft universe.

[Trassk]

I rate him as the single most evil mortal in the Warcraft universe.

Gul'dan probably did more evil and bastard things then any other mortals, but theres also kel'thzard, who even as a mortal still brought death and plague to lordearon.

Characters like Gul'dan and K.T are ones easily manipulated by power, and usually end up dead before of it.

[Rend Blackhand]

Gul'dan probably did more evil and bastard things then any other mortals, but theres also kel'thzard, who even as a mortal still brought death and plague to lordearon.

Characters like Gul'dan and K.T are ones easily manipulated by power, and usually end up dead before of it.

Forgot K.T. existed, definitely became evil, trying to bring the big BL through. Good point with Kel'Thuzad but Gul'Dan tops them all. His actions led to another Burning Legion invasion of Azeroth and destroyed his home planet. Among other things.

[Trassk]

Forgot K.T. existed, definitely became evil, trying to bring the big BL through. Good point with Kel'Thuzad but Gul'Dan tops them all. His actions led to another Burning Legion invasion of Azeroth and destroyed his home planet. Among other things.

well Gul'dan played a part in that given he opened the dark portal and manipulated Ner'zhul, but it was Ner'zhul who destroyed his homeworld.

Still I wouldn't have called ner'zhul evil, just fully misguided and in the end desperate.

[Rend Blackhand]

well Gul'dan played a part in that given he opened the dark portal and manipulated Ner'zhul, but it was Ner'zhul who destroyed his homeworld.

True but there is that huge volcano in shadowmoon that he raised.

[Combatbutler]

Forgot K.T. existed, definitely became evil, trying to bring the big BL through. Good point with Kel'Thuzad but Gul'Dan tops them all. His actions led to another Burning Legion invasion of Azeroth and destroyed his home planet. Among other things.

Gul'dan probably did more evil and bastard things then any other mortals, but theres also kel'thzard, who even as a mortal still brought death and plague to lordearon.

Characters like Gul'dan and K.T are ones easily manipulated by power, and usually end up dead before of it.

You seem to forget Azshara, she really is some nasty piece of work, though she hasn't done something that directly affects the surface dwellers in recent times.

[Dreknar20]

Blackhand was just a puppet, a very evil puppet but still not the one orchestrating the whole mess...

him being a puppet and a figurehead dsnt mean he dsnt know what he is doing

its called manipulation, not mind control

[Deleted]

Garrosh is a giant tool, who's shallow nature, ultra violent intent, ignorence and pride is set to break the horde apart.

I don't think anybody hates garrosh quite as much as you, Could I please be in the same raid as you when you come to down him? I would be honored to see your reaction when he's killed <3

[Frontenac]

Gul'dan probably did more evil and bastard things then any other mortals, but theres also kel'thzard, who even as a mortal still brought death and plague to lordearon.

Characters like Gul'dan and K.T are ones easily manipulated by power, and usually end up dead before of it.

In WC3, Kel'Thuzad has at least some redeemable qualities. His loyalty, for one. I can't imagine any qualities in Gul'dan.

[Dreknar20]

In WC3, Kel'Thuzad has at least some redeemable qualities. His loyalty, for one. I can't imagine any qualities in Gul'dan.

the only thing Gul'dan ever cared about was power, power, and more power

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Gul'dan probably did more evil and bastard things then any other mortals, but theres also kel'thzard, who even as a mortal still brought death and plague to lordearon.

Characters like Gul'dan and K.T are ones easily manipulated by power, and usually end up dead before of it.

Is Kel'thuzad really evil? He truly believed that undeath was the salvation. Gul'dan was evil for the joy of it and power.

[Dreknar20]

Is Kel'thuzad really evil? He truly believed that undeath was the salvation. Gul'dan was evil for the joy of it and power.

undeath......the next stage in human evolution. Am I right?

But yeah, good and evil is just a matter of perspective.
People dont go around thinking "Dude Im evil! I totally dont deserve to accomplish my goals"

But then it may not matter, war does not determine who is right, only who is left

[dokilar]

id have to go with garrosh, blackhand (as stated by many people before) was just a pawn for the warlocks of the shadow council to manipulate. garrosh is, for all we know, not being influenced by anything other than his own accord. blackhand was basically told what to by guldan

which raises the question, if guldan had not ran off to seek the tome of sargeras, or hadnt died after he found it, how long would blackhand had stayed in power? would doomhammer have still challenged him? would they have won the 2nd war due to their forces not been basically cut in half due to guldans greed? how would this have played out in warcraft 3?

all those are questions for another thread i believe though

[Dreknar20]

. blackhand was basically told what to by guldan
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and he agreed to do what he was told.....
Not much of a difference in my eyes

[Deleted]

most importent option is mising: they are both the same evil....

[Coldpro]

I still say Garrosh has been slowly possessed by Mannoroth, do to you know...making a throne from his skull, and armor from his ...tusk...horn...things.

Would be interesting if so, could help reintroduce the legion if they decide to go for another TBC style xpac.