Who is worse Blackhand or Garrosh?

[Dreknar20]

Would be interesting if so, could help reintroduce the legion if they decide to go for another TBC style xpac.

those bones have been on display next door to the Orc's homes for years

[Vayshan]

well Gul'dan played a part in that given he opened the dark portal and manipulated Ner'zhul, but it was Ner'zhul who destroyed his homeworld.

Still I wouldn't have called ner'zhul evil, just fully misguided and in the end desperate.

Indeed. Ner'zhul was more a victim than an instigator. He was (at first) deceived by a false vision from Kil'Jaeden which led to his desperation. Gul'dan is the true bastard who embraced the demons.

OT:
I'd say Blackhand. He had his new warlocks use Drain Life on his two sons to speed up their aging. Garrosh isn't even happy with what Sylvanas is doing with the Valkyr. Although... the dark shamans beneath Orgrimmar are not so friendly either.

[Trassk]

OT:
I'd say Blackhand. He had his new warlocks use Drain Life on his two sons to speed up their aging. Garrosh isn't even happy with what Sylvanas is doing with the Valkyr. Although... the dark shamans beneath Orgrimmar are not so friendly either.

Theres more of a twist in the tale now though. At the end of tides of war, Garrosh in his rage, now orders every able body to become part of his war machine, including children, and to even use demons in his conquest of azeroth. So from him condemning the use of demons and fel magic, he now wants to use it in his war.

[Dreknar20]

I'd say Blackhand. He had his new warlocks use Drain Life on his two sons to speed up their aging. Garrosh isn't even happy with what Sylvanas is doing with the Valkyr. Although... the dark shamans beneath Orgrimmar are not so friendly either.

If your occupation was to beat the crap out of powerful Elements, you would probably be in a grumpy mood too

[Vayshan]

If your occupation was to beat the crap out of powerful Elements, you would probably be in a grumpy mood too

Maybe I'm too tired atm, but what do you mean?

[iamthedevil]

Blackhand was purely evil. Garrosh is not.

[Dreknar20]

So from him condemning the use of demons and fel magic, he now wants to use it in his war.

Desperate Times Call of desperate measures.

And when that fails and you become even more desperate, use even more desperate measures
And, well, it just goes downhill from there

---------- Post added 2012-11-18 at 01:28 AM ----------

Blackhand was purely evil. Garrosh is not.

Im sure Blackhand thought differently

[Trassk]

Desperate Times Call of desperate measures.

And when that fails and you become even more desperate, use even more desperate measures
And, well, it just goes downhill from there

---------- Post added 2012-11-18 at 01:28 AM ----------


Im sure Blackhand thought differently

This is the thing, he didn't just order warlocks to use there powers in his war, he specifically ordered the use of demons for his war. Seems the son of Grom believes he can control anything.

[Amat]

Blackhand, I think, Garrosh is a pig, but at least Blackhand never had control over the Horde as they currently are.

Garrosh is an aggressive, warmonger, but Blackhand was batshit mental to the point of, as was mentioned, having the life drained out of Rend and Maim, his own children, to age them quicker to put them in positions of power.

Warmongering is one thing, but Blackhand was a dick, yo.

[Velshin]

This is the thing, he didn't just order warlocks to use there powers in his war, he specifically ordered the use of demons for his war. Seems the son of Grom believes he can control anything.

Haha yeah he is now thinking that being honorable is a weakness in his conquest and war machine. Funny part is Garrosh point of view about the Alliance in Azeroth is like when Grom seeing the Burning Legions in Azeroth.

[Trassk]

Blackhand, I think, Garrosh is a pig, but at least Blackhand never had control over the Horde as they currently are.

Garrosh is an aggressive, warmonger, but Blackhand was batshit mental to the point of, as was mentioned, having the life drained out of Rend and Maim, his own children, to age them quicker to put them in positions of power.

Warmongering is one thing, but Blackhand was a dick, yo.

true. although we have yet to see how far Garrosh will go yet. We already know he tries to kill Anduin, a kid, and he has a plan to use the divine bell for whatever scheme it might be.

[Dreknar20]

This is the thing, he didn't just order warlocks to use there powers in his war, he specifically ordered the use of demons for his war. .

both sides have always used demons.

Apprantly Imps are one of the main arsenals for warships

[Buu]

Blackhand. The personality of Garrosh, without his competence.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Im sure Blackhand thought differently

Not a lot of villains truly believe they're evil, some feel they're justified. Some could care less what they do.(Lex Luthor?)

[Lightfist]

Gul'dan probably did more evil and bastard things then any other mortals, but theres also kel'thzard, who even as a mortal still brought death and plague to lordearon.

Characters like Gul'dan and K.T are ones easily manipulated by power, and usually end up dead before of it.

Kel'thuzad was forced into service to the Lich King after being tricked into coming up there. He was terrified by the horrible things he was shown.

---------- Post added 2012-11-18 at 08:39 AM ----------

both sides have always used demons.

Apprantly Imps are one of the main arsenals for warships

The Alliance don't really openly use Fel Magic or demons. Hell, the Warlocks in Stormwind have to hide their operations in a false tavern.

[Deleted]

I would say Garrosh is a bit worse in how he treats his own people, but I would say he's cleverer than Blackhand. They're both pretty equally bad in what they do or did to Azeroth and their denizens.

[Scummer]

Garrosh is VERY CLEARLY possessed by something ever since early Cataclysm.

No it's called bad/inconsistent writing.

[Velshin]

Garrosh is VERY CLEARLY possessed by something ever since early Cataclysm.

They've dropped enough clues for all this throughout the game. From showing how strict morals Garrosh had at early questing levels (putting Sylvanas straight with her LK behaviour, punishing bloodthirsty orcs for their behaviour, clearly showing and saying he will NOT use demonic magic etc.) to completely different behaviour later on near the end of Cataclysm and now in MoP.

Directly contradicting statements and behaviour to before. My first bet is going to be Mannoroth's skull.

Also remember the part in Twilight Highlands where his ship gets attacked by dragons and crashes, assumed lost, and later he just shows up again unharmed? Either he decapitated a few dragons with simple superiour fighting skills or else "something" helped him to survive... The fact that the previous warchief of the dragonmaw seemed to hint towards and knew about Garrosh' about to lead them down the same path, who were using demonic magic themselves to empower themselves, is just another hint and indication that Garrosh too is involved with the demon stuff.

Garrosh, uncorrupted, at worst was a bit like Napolean who still to this day is remember as one of earth's biggest war heroes and legends. Garrosh corrupted by Mannoroth's skull is just a downward spiral which will tie in perfectly into the next Burning Legion themed expansion...

Garrosh currently is corrupted, end of story, you'd have to be extremely thick or stubborn not to be able to see all the hints towards this.

Sorry but you are wrong it's been stated by Blizzard and Metzen that the downfall of Garrosh being villain it's his own no demonic corruption or old gods stuff it's Garrosh himself here I will link you a video the latest one about Chris Metzen explaining:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCx65OEUxjo

Please listen to the 5:40 and 5:45

listen very carefully what Metzen said about Garrosh...he never said misguided Garrosh he never said corrupted Garrosh from demons or old gods..he simpley said:
"Your big jerk as a Warchief." which is more proof that it's Garrosh his own doing not some kind of super natural demonic or old gods infulence. About the previous warchief o dragonmaw he said he knew about Garrosh because they were both in Outland and he knows that Garrosh is that whiny kid from nagrand is never suitable to lead the Horde.

[Deleted]

Sorry but you are wrong it's been stated by Blizzard and Metzen that the downfall of Garrosh being villain it's his own no demonic corruption or old gods stuff it's Garrosh himself here I will link you a video the latest one about Chris Metzen explaining:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCx65OEUxjo

Please listen to the 5:40 and 5:45

listen very carefully what Metzen said about Garrosh...he never said misguided Garrosh he never said corrupted Garrosh from demons or old gods..he simpley said:
"Your big jerk as a Warchief." which is more proof that it's Garrosh his own doing not some kind of super natural demonic or old gods infulence. About the previous warchief o dragonmaw he said he knew about Garrosh because they were both in Outland and he knows that Garrosh is that whiny kid from nagrand is never suitable to lead the Horde.

Metzen just talks like that.

[Dreknar20]

Not a lot of villains truly believe they're evil, some feel they're justified. Some could care less what they do.(Lex Luthor?)

Agreed.

Even what people may consider the most "evil" of people did not think of themselves in such ways. They werent going around thinkin "Dude im so evil, I so totally dont deserve to win"
Every single army/person held the belief that they have right on their side
Every single army/person saw that God was on their side
And as Geore Carlin said, "someones gonna be fucking dissapointed"

And