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  1. #241
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    They totally missed the point of F2P unless they thought F2P mean Forced To Pay.

    Instead of letting F2P get acces to the core of the game which is the story while leveling, and giving subs an enhanced experience both while leveling but mostly endgame with new content being free and access to content that's restricted for F2P players and having the cartel market be cosmetic and for temporary access to otherwise subscriber only areas.

    They've made it so that subs get the game as it's allways been. Nothing extra except some free cartel coins every month. and f2p have restrictions on everything to the point where it's nearly unplayable if you don't pay to get some of the basic features of the game.

    Sure you can still level and play the story lines as F2P but unless you're really into the story you wont stay for long because it's dreadfull with all the restrictions.

    Some of my favorite retarded restrictions are:

    -2 quickbar limit unless you pay for more.
    -Not being able to hide headgear if you don't pay for it.
    -Not being able to show titles unless youn pay for it.
    -Decreased xp rate if you don't buy booster packs.
    -Limited quest rewards unless you're a sub. Some quests you can't even choose a reward from because they're all blocked.
    -F2P only get the smallest bag space because upgrading it for F2P players cost cartel coins.
    -2 hour cooldown on quick travel because F2P needs to be reminded that they're second class players unless they pay.
    -Limit on how many times you can ressurect at your body unless you use cartel coins for more.

    Oh and if you have been a subscriber in the past you get some bonus cartel coins when you come back to the game for each month you payed. All you have to do to claim those coins is to subscribe again...

    I'll still play it on and off for the story lines I didn't finish before, and had EA been friendlier to F2P I might have bought some booster packs or week pass for warzones but with the welcome we got with Forced To Pay I wont, even if it greatly diminish the experience.

  2. #242
    Do you really think that a decision such as how to build the free to play model has been decided in a 15 minute after-lunch meeting?
    Do you really think a decision that will potentially involves loss or gain of tens of millions of dollars has been taken lightly?
    Don't you think they have closet full of folder filled with business strategy, market simulations, even psychology reports on which they based their decisions?
    Do you really think Electronics Arts is run by novice team in business and marketing?
    Do you really think they haven't anticipated the current forum outcry, calculated the outcome and chose the most profitable solution?
    Do you really think random post on some random fansite forum would make them suddenly change their mind?
    Do you really think EA's stupid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saitan View Post

    Some of my favorite retarded restrictions are:

    -2 quickbar limit unless you pay for more.
    -Not being able to hide headgear if you don't pay for it.
    -Not being able to show titles unless youn pay for it.
    -Decreased xp rate if you don't buy booster packs.
    -Limited quest rewards unless you're a sub. Some quests you can't even choose a reward from because they're all blocked.
    -F2P only get the smallest bag space because upgrading it for F2P players cost cartel coins.
    -2 hour cooldown on quick travel because F2P needs to be reminded that they're second class players unless they pay.
    -Limit on how many times you can ressurect at your body unless you use cartel coins for more.
    I know you said those aren't all the restriction, but there are 2 more you didn't quote that I think I have never seen in any other F2P game:
    -Not being able to equip most purples
    -Not being able to equip event awards.

    On the other hand, they let you join guilds.
    And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
    Revelations 6:8

  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by alexday14 View Post
    SNIP...

    What do you guys think?
    So far the only thing I question is the lesser experience gain. I know when leveling I was always beyond the max level of any area but I'm sure that was because the rested exp and limited space battles I didn't. F2P players wont have that so I'm curious if it will make a big deal in the entire leveling process. only time will tell I guess but I do question the reduction is exp gained. I also have an issue with quest rewards. Really should get access to any quest reward you do.

    As far as 2 hot bars. Not a real issue for anyone leveling 1-50. If we could pull off 8 different AC in end game raiding and WZ with only 2 bars a level character will have no problem. If they want the convenience of having everything they ever get on a hot bar then there is nothing wrong with a $2.50 cost there for convenience.

    Limited epic item use goes I don't really have a problem with either. If you plan to start spending that much time in game, no reason you can't spend a small about once for access to that gear.

    Hide head slot, match colors, limited QT, limited bag space limited resurrect are all convenience perks. Some more limiting than others but still convenience. Pay a very small fee (once for most of them) with no subbing to get them. Not a big deal knowing people are just trying to get out of paying a sub or paying much of anything but wanting more.

    2 character slots and limited race. Not a real problem in this sort of game. Find 2 toons you like, start leveling them. If someone plans to start investing so much time into a game they need more slots or races, they would be better served subbing or just spending a little to open things up at a lesser pace, becoming a preferred status gamers to boot.

    Sound like you have your mind already set on GW2 which BTW , has it's own problems, some similar, some not but if you need usto try and sway you that's probably not going to happen at this point.
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  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by Vankrys View Post
    Do you really think EA's stupid?
    Uhm...., tough question... lol.

    Anyway, I applaud them for opening up SWTOR.

  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by Vankrys View Post
    Do you really think that a decision such as how to build the free to play model has been decided in a 15 minute after-lunch meeting?
    Do you really think a decision that will potentially involves loss or gain of tens of millions of dollars has been taken lightly?
    Don't you think they have closet full of folder filled with business strategy, market simulations, even psychology reports on which they based their decisions?
    Do you really think Electronics Arts is run by novice team in business and marketing?
    Do you really think they haven't anticipated the current forum outcry, calculated the outcome and chose the most profitable solution?
    Do you really think random post on some random fansite forum would make them suddenly change their mind?
    Do you really think EA's stupid?
    You're right this has been the most profitable mmo success in video game history. Its huge subscriber base and undeniably successful business strategy is why this game is where it is today. Every other game developer out there should stop developing and put all funding into inventing a cloning machine to hopefully recreate every staff member of EA in hopes to turn the tides of the mmo market and compete with the juggernaut that is swtor.

  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by mirodin View Post
    I'll bite, how long can you go on with doing RFC,DM WC and SWK before they become boring and repetitive? Untill you get all the itmes you "need" or want from them? Until you see them once?
    As many times as you want. Star Wars? 3 times a week.

    Now there is a huge difference between doing bgs at 20 with 4 abilities and doing them at 50 with your whole arsenal available to you.
    Nice exaggeration, however, you have more than 4 moves at 20, you have quite a few actually. And you're right, there is a huge difference between doing as many bgs as you want, and being allowed 5 a week.

    Heck you can even spend some cash to unlock unlimited warzonez if your just into pvp and it will cost you less then a sub would.
    Then, the game isn't free to play, it's pay to play.

    In general, if you enjoy multiple aspects of the game then subscribe (obvius), but if you expected that for free then tough luck.
    "But if you were expecting what EA is trying to sling, then tough luck. If you were expecting this free to play game to be nearly as free to play as any other free to play game, then tough shit." [/quote]

    If you enjoy some aspects more then others, say you like warzones and not operations or Flash points, then the f2p will suit you more, eps. if there are weeks that you won't log in at all, due to work, holiday or other IRL reasons.
    A strawman, unrelated to the argument at all.

  8. #248
    This just in.

    You can buy unlocks from other players off the auction house with credits.

    You do not have to give money to EA to hide your helm anymore.

    Or any of the other minor purchases that people are complaining about.
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  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Vankrys View Post
    Do you really think that a decision such as how to build the free to play model has been decided in a 15 minute after-lunch meeting?
    Do you really think a decision that will potentially involves loss or gain of tens of millions of dollars has been taken lightly?
    Don't you think they have closet full of folder filled with business strategy, market simulations, even psychology reports on which they based their decisions?
    Do you really think Electronics Arts is run by novice team in business and marketing?
    Do you really think they haven't anticipated the current forum outcry, calculated the outcome and chose the most profitable solution?
    Do you really think random post on some random fansite forum would make them suddenly change their mind?
    Do you really think EA's stupid?
    Yes, yes I think EA is stupid and doesn't have a clue. I don't think they spend even 5 minutes putting thought into the model. So do almost all of the game review sites that reviewed the F2P option.

    EA had so much potential. Instead of lotto bags, just release cool stuff to buy. Not a wooden axe. Awesome armor sets, social gear, weapons, vehicles, pets, vanity items, etc.

    The unlocks required for F2P are insane too (even per gaming websites). Having to pay for rez's????? UI toolbars, Hide helm, unify colors??? C'mon.

    Its understandable the limit on toon #'s, but even other F2P models sell unlocks to get more toons, not EA though!

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by hk-51 View Post
    This just in.

    You can buy unlocks from other players off the auction house with credits.

    You do not have to give money to EA to hide your helm anymore.

    Or any of the other minor purchases that people are complaining about.
    would that mean there is a in game method to gain unlock if you rather not pay real monay, just like a real F2P game?
    but but but, what would everyone complain about then?

  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by hk-51 View Post
    This just in.

    You can buy unlocks from other players off the auction house with credits.

    You do not have to give money to EA to hide your helm anymore.

    Or any of the other minor purchases that people are complaining about.
    Nice. I am sure the players are too stupid to realize the credit cap for F2P and will sell them for like 500k. lol.

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by VincentWolf View Post
    Also I think they promised me at least 300 coins cuz I was a subscriber for like near half a year, I didn't get anything. Maybe I should "claimed" them on site or something, but whatever.
    Same for me. I was also promised an additional 1000 coins since I (foolishly) bought the CE. Nothing.

  13. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by ariakul View Post
    Yes, yes I think EA is stupid and doesn't have a clue. I don't think they spend even 5 minutes putting thought into the model. ...

    He who lacks careful thought and strategy and underestimates the enemy will surely be captured by the opponent.

    Sun Tzu, The art of war.

  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by hk-51 View Post
    This just in.

    You can buy unlocks from other players off the auction house with credits.

    You do not have to give money to EA to hide your helm anymore.

    Or any of the other minor purchases that people are complaining about.
    Hm, I do wonder though about the sell prices. It's probably gonna be 200k-350k, boom all your credits gone in one go. Of course in the long-term it's not going to affect you at all, since the unlocks are one-time purchase.

    Unless ppl forgotting about F2P and Preferred players have a hard credits limit.
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  15. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by hk-51 View Post
    This just in.

    You can buy unlocks from other players off the auction house with credits.

    You do not have to give money to EA to hide your helm anymore.

    Or any of the other minor purchases that people are complaining about.
    Thats not too bad imo if its true providing theres enough people selling them. It is however effectively a way just to buy ingame currency.

  16. #256
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    Quote Originally Posted by hk-51 View Post
    This just in.

    You can buy unlocks from other players off the auction house with credits.

    You do not have to give money to EA to hide your helm anymore.

    Or any of the other minor purchases that people are complaining about.

    Only problem with that is that the subsciber base of swtor ain't the brightest brains in ht e galaxy so they put the stuff on auction for 300 000 or more credits and F2P can only have 100 000 credits I think it was so if you wanna buy it for credits you have to sub to increase your credit cap.

  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by Saitan View Post
    Only problem with that is that the subsciber base of swtor ain't the brightest brains in ht e galaxy so they put the stuff on auction for 300 000 or more credits and F2P can only have 100 000 credits I think it was so if you wanna buy it for credits you have to sub to increase your credit cap.
    in the kingdom of the blind the one-eyed are kings. Players with subs that realize there is a market will profit. You can pay with other than credit. Molecular Stabilizer comes to mind, of course, you have to deal directly with the vendor using the trade chat.

    I'm sure the brillant mind of F2P player can manage ^^

  18. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Eremiel View Post
    Same for me. I was also promised an additional 1000 coins since I (foolishly) bought the CE. Nothing.
    Just fully checked it out. The coins we were all promised to get won't be given since we had to have an active subscription when the game went F2P in order to get our 'free' gifts.

    They also deleted all my previous characters. Thank you, Bioware. Thank you kindly.

  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by Vankrys View Post
    Do you really think that a decision such as how to build the free to play model has been decided in a 15 minute after-lunch meeting?

    Of course not, this is a VERY well thought out process to maximise money gains as quick as possible before pulling the plug (see the "How much have you spent so far" thread - lock boxes FTL)

    Do you really think a decision that will potentially involves loss or gain of tens of millions of dollars has been taken lightly?

    Launch date was, so why not?

    Don't you think they have closet full of folder filled with business strategy, market simulations, even psychology reports on which they based their decisions?

    Probably

    Do you really think Electronics Arts is run by novice team in business and marketing?

    Just asking silly questions now right?

    Do you really think they haven't anticipated the current forum outcry, calculated the outcome and chose the most profitable solution?

    At the speed they have been closing threads on the official forum, I'm going to assume they weren't expecting THIS reaction

    Do you really think random post on some random fansite forum would make them suddenly change their mind?

    Are you so Naive to think that MMO companies are not reading the biggest fansites in the world? MMO-C...random fansite...trololol

    Do you really think EA's stupid?

    Absolutely! Without a doubt in the "MMO" sphere. WAR gave me an inkling, TOR cemented it

    See the red bits
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    You could bypass the 2 character slot thing if you subscriped and created the characters before f2p. I got 3/2 character slots used.

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