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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Raqubor View Post
    Wow, just please close this thread. It's against forum rules.
    How so? I've just read the rules and nothing forbids this kind of thread. And no marriage as a concept isn't a religious thing, definitely not christian since marriage existed way before Christianity was born.

    On-topic: I see where the protesters are coming from they believe children raised by same-sex couples would have disadvantages both socially and emotionally. As for the marriage part they find it insulting as they view it from a religious point of view.

    I disagree with both, but that doesn't give me the right to insult their opinions. Homosexuality has always been a rather controversial subject throughout history. In ancient Greece for example it was not uncommon for a man to lay with another man and aside from a few laughs nobody really cared, but even "gay men" still got married for society's sake and of course the babies. Now we live in a time where society has become (a tiny bit) more accepting of gay couples and we have several alternatives to traditional childbirth through adoption, IVF and other heretic concepts. The question is just if the acceptance has evolved enough over 2000 years just so gay people can enjoy the concept of family the same way straight people can without being discriminated against financially and socially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eats Compost View Post
    And the protesters in question are also protesting against giving such rights to same-sex couples, such as the ability to adopt.

    The most significant anti-gay marriage lobbies are also anti-gay rights lobbies. The two are one in the same, which is why you can't just dismiss them as separate issues the way you have.
    Yes, idiots with other words. I'm not homosexual and I will certainly never marry, the former has a bigger likelihood to occur than the latter.
    So I think my thoughts on the subject are misplaced and I should just leave this to people who care. Ciao :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyoXx View Post
    A 100.000 people demonstration is not much according to Paris standards.
    Loads of demonstrations are taking place here.
    On other issues (education, pensions, ...) you can easily have 1 or 1.5 millions people demonstrating

    basically, this is just the vocal left-wing catholic minority
    Pretty much this, 100k ppl is nothing, we have the same amount of people doing the annual marathon...
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    A major event in french history occured when Julius Cesar decided for his own prestige and power to conquer Gaul (52 BC).
    He is known to be bi-sexual.
    Can you imagine what happened to young gallic prisoners ?
    2000 years latern here is the result....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pouca View Post
    A major event in french history occured when Julius Cesar decided for his own prestige and power to conquer Gaul (52 BC).
    He is known to be bi-sexual.
    Can you imagine what happened to young gallic prisoners ?
    2000 years latern here is the result....
    I don't know why someone with enough wealth and power to buy off anyone he wanted would bother with prisoners. Just sayin'.

    I'm also not quite sure what your central point is.

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    Food for thoughts:

    From the early Christian era (30 to 325 CE), marriage was thought of as primarily a private matter, with no uniform religious or other ceremony being required. However, bishop Ignatius of Antioch writing around 110 to bishop Polycarp of Smyrna exhorts, "t becomes both men and women who marry, to form their union with the approval of the bishop, that their marriage may be according to God, and not after their own lust."
    and then............
    As part of the Protestant Reformation, the role of recording marriages and setting the rules for marriage passed to the state, reflecting Martin Luther's view that marriage was a "worldly thing".
    ohh. look....
    Various types of same-sex marriages have existed, ranging from informal, unsanctioned relationships to highly ritualized unions.

    While it is a relatively new practice to grant same-sex couples the same form of legal marital recognition as commonly granted to mixed-sex couples, there is some history of recorded same-sex unions around the world. It is believed that same-sex unions were celebrated in Ancient Greece and Rome, some regions of China, such as Fujian, and at certain times in ancient European history.
    Apparently, the human race faces the topic for thousands of years.
    Which leads me (mind you, I am as straight of a man, as it possibly gets) to the conclusion, that once again it shows how far we've actually evolved into modern humans in a high tech era, and at the same time a millions of us keep missing the bus on personal evolution.
    The question at hand is.. for what?
    What's in there for yourself?
    What do you gain from fighting it in the first place, other than being probably homophobic?
    Religious reasons? You cannot be serious about that... Following doctrines that have been put in place by fanatic bishops, and or popes who had no higher intention than power, worldly power. I'm not saying to believe in God is a mistake. I am not saying God doesn't even exist. I believe in God. However, I am not an idiot, and know very well that the Bible is in large but a reflection of power shifts throughout the history of it's existence. It's been altered hundreds of times, to fit the needs of the lords in power. Yet, today are people who not only follow those propaganda doctrines, but also manage to misread the messages the Bible holds for everyone.

    I feel sorry for such people.

    Leave the gay people alone. They don't go out and protest the elimination of marriage altogether. Which would be the logic consent.
    Equality.... If you deny them to be married, why should it be granted to you?

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    Where's the firing squad when you need one....

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    "Yes, I support traditional marriage. A union between one middle-aged man and a 13-year-old girl for a dowry of eighteen cows."
    "when women wear makeup they’re basically lying to us"
    Well, I don’t see why women are being blamed if man is stupid enough to really think they have red and gold eyelids.

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    At least we know one positive thing that'll work in the French gay community's favor; The protestors are French. They will inevitably give up and go home.
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    Stupid people all over the world it seems!

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    Another stupid protest. Honestly, I can't see how it would affect them so imo they shouldn't care.
    The bill should be passed, otherwise they might as well start discriminating against other things too (not that that is my opinion, I consider literally everyone equal no matter what, just saying :P)
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    Quote Originally Posted by reffan View Post
    Good to see that there are still some people in Western Europe which are not brainwashed by leftist & gay propaganda.
    What do their numbers have to do with their purpose? Unless you're saying that because gay people are a minority that it's ok to treat them unequally.

    OT: I laughed pretty hard at "That's the way it is and we can't go against nature." Last time I checked society is built on things that are unnatural like automobiles, power plants, and social contracts like marriage.
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    I am more disgusted how many of you guys reply on the topic at hand, really... it's a minority peacefully voicing their opinion and while reading I noticed these comments;
    "<snip> just nuke Paris while we have the chance."
    "I hope the police gets really violent with these people."
    "Religious assholes."

    My gripe is not on the agenda at hand but how when someone else voices their opinion in a peaceful way, there is always someone that writes these kind of comments and these simply don't fit in a thread like this, at all.

    Just a response to Jeavline "Marriage is a religious thing" comment. Actually marriage is more than religious, you have benefits when you are married, among others financially. Actually I think it's more for the benefits now than ever, the religious aspect is more actually tradition - anyway, my point was simply that marriage is not only a religious thing, hence why people want to fight for their rights, to get access to benefits given to married couples and I can understand that.

    I'd like to add this clip, I find it suited and explains the issue on why gay marriage should be allowed:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCFFxidhcy0#t=1m35s
    She has a point, I agree with her. The video is a bit long but if you truly want to understand or care, you will watch it, if you close it and keep saying what ever you usually say against gay marriage then you simply are not looking for a way to understand, but rather just want to argue and you should rethink your stance on this issue.
    Last edited by Chelly; 2012-11-18 at 12:45 PM. Reason: Added video part after request via PM.


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  14. #74
    I have never understood why it's the governments business to get involved in the affairs of a couple, be it man&woman, man&man, woman&woman.

    If someone wants to get married, let them get married.

    You can call it w/e you like, can call it a partnership, a seal, a coupling... Whatever, I don't understand how things like this make themselves into laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reffan View Post
    Good to see that there are still some people in Western Europe which are not brainwashed by leftist & gay propaganda.
    Care to elaborate with us?
    Frankly, your sentence alone sounds rather uhmmmm.... uneducated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eats Compost View Post
    Oh yes, I'm very aware of that. I was just pointing out that they were ignorant to what rights were being referred to, despite an example being right in front of them.
    Yeah. I brainlagged and quoted the wrong post. Fixed it now. Apologies
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    Quote Originally Posted by qu1rex View Post
    I have never understood why it's the governments business to get involved in the affairs of a couple, be it man&woman, man&man, woman&woman.

    If someone wants to get married, let them get married.

    You can call it w/e you like, can call it a partnership, a seal, a coupling... Whatever, I don't understand how things like this make themselves into laws.
    Because someone decided to toss legal benefits on to marriage.

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    It is good that there are still sane people in Europe.

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