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    Quote Originally Posted by semaphore View Post
    It's theories all the way up!
    Which means a theory is the polar opposite of a turtle? Do turtles have something against the scientific process or something?
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    Jesus fucking christ people need to learn to accept that there is a layman's definition of 'theory' and a scientific definition of 'theory'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergtau View Post
    Jesus fucking christ people need to learn to accept that there is a layman's definition of 'theory' and a scientific definition of 'theory'.
    And the problem is that the laymen use the incorrect definition when trying to talk about scientific anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Cailan Ebonheart View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    If an alien observer were to ask each person which direction (towards the sun or away from the sun) the object falls - then that answer would vary significantly for many reasons.

    Point is - relative is relative.
    I'm pretty sure that's what I said. It's relative. Here on earth, among humans that exist, down refers to the direction in which the core of the earth is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    And the problem is that the laymen use the incorrect definition when trying to talk about scientific anything.
    It's a bit more than that since there is some of the layman use getting into the scientific community. It can also be a bit difficult to correct too because some people, when told how things are done and it's different than what they do, blow it off like they're the ones who make the rules. It's rare, but it happens.

    So the short answer to the OP is: If there's some communication confusion make sure to define the words you're using and see if that's different from how the other person defines the words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NPEC View Post
    Just to clarify

    "there are no black swans" this is considered a fact because no one ever found a black swan rigth?
    A scientist would most likely phrase it something like "No black specimens have been documented in X ". X being whatever swan species is being studied.

    Now did you have an actual point or just trying to be contrary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by girgamer View Post
    I thought that a proven hypothesis is a theory and the fact was what was observed to have happened. To use your example, the fact is that they function as individuals, the hypothesis is that to do this they need to communicate and the theory is that they use chemicals to do it.

    So basically a fact is something that can't be disproved and a theory still, possibly can. Like in my original statement: Fact: the apple fell.
    A single supported hypothesis, one that has not been proven false, doesn't a theory make. It takes a lot more evidence than that. And we don't prove hypotheses. You try to disprove the null hypothesis. It may seem like semantics or splitting hairs but it's important to approach all science in this manner so as to leave everything open to be rejected or proven false. Approaching phenomena this way allows us to continually improve our knowledge and understanding instead of stating absolutes.

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    To add to the list:

    Law: A description of consistent phenomena that does not explain the source of the phenomenon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    And the problem is that the laymen use the incorrect definition when trying to talk about scientific anything.
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    1. Insist that the simplest explanation is not usually the best.
    2. State that because there is a correlation, the relationship MUST be causitive.
    3. Say 'it's just a theory' when describing a Theory such as Evolution or Relativity.
    4. Ask why it's not called the "Law of Evolution".
    5. Dismiss peer consensus as not mattering.
    6. Insist that the findings of case studies can be applied to the general population.
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