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  1. #121
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lane View Post
    What do they mean by "Black Market"?
    Black market = buying gold through a gold seller instead of through Anet.
    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    Youre in the mmo forums and you find mmos boring, Im heading on over to the twilight forums to add my unecessary and shallow 2 cents.

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Durzlla View Post
    Black market = buying gold through a gold seller instead of through Anet.
    Ah, cause the way it's laid out made it look like you could buy 250+ gems on the black market, which I don't even know how you'd do without compromising your account.

  3. #123
    well ,

    i would say what make gw2 looks cool at begging is b2p but soon or later people will get boring

    the thing is when the game hit the market and open servers u will see the servers are crowded ( many people online ) and it is normal !

    what is happen later?

    1- if the game is p2p then people would be more consider that factor part wich mean i will not pay for next month or the month after if this game did not take my attention while i test it ! that mean some people will quit after 1-2 or few month and that will lead to drop in population like what happen to some p2p games !
    markting + hard work form company to push the game up with updates or new patch , new things , events and again markting !

    2- if the game is f2p or b2p then it got more chance to keep up the population with some fators like media , markting and make it like the best game ever !

    at the end u playing with out fee at the end of the month but your judgment will come later for sure even if its take much time !

    just go read how people are happy for making gw2 b2p , or wait let me make it as a questions :

    1- does f2p or b2p affecting to mmorpg games in business, qulity and popularity ?

    the answer is yes !

    2- does many people like to have f2p or b2p system in the games ?

    the answer is yes !

    3- does f2p or b2p make the game fine ?

    the answer is , F2P OR B2P IS NOT EVERYTING !

    some games are realy amazing even with f2p system but others are not

    so, watch out what are u doing beacuse it is business at the end and we are the customers
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  4. #124
    For a game with an F2P model it sure tries hard not to make money out of it.

    1. No paid race / class / story changes
    2. Dumb RNG chests instead of simply selling rares outright
    3. Not selling extra town clothes when its already worn by NPCs
    4. Those one-time use lvl 80 transmute stones? Let's discourage players from buying them by announcing Ascended gear that will replace their exotics except now only god knows when they will actually appear.

    Instead we got a polarizing patch that pissed off much of the playerbase along with terrible PR, while not doing anything real to generate money from F2P. Well done!

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by freeforumuser View Post
    For a game with an F2P model it sure tries hard not to make money out of it.

    1. No paid race / class / story changes
    2. Dumb RNG chests instead of simply selling rares outright
    3. Not selling extra town clothes when its already worn by NPCs
    4. Those one-time use lvl 80 transmute stones? Let's discourage players from buying them by announcing Ascended gear that will replace their exotics except now only god knows when they will actually appear.

    Instead we got a polarizing patch that pissed off much of the playerbase along with terrible PR, while not doing anything real to generate money from F2P. Well done!
    It's not F2P it's B2P but I agree they could probably make more money than anything from more costume skins, I know I would buy them if there actually was any that I liked, to transmute I mean not the townclothes, townclothes is pretty uselsess in my opinion I would much rather that panel be turned into your costume panel to equip the look you want rather than to use transmute stones in the same way LOTRO and Rift has it, give us that and then they could sell additional ones for equipping multiple costume sets I would love that as I like to change outfit depending on zone.

    edit: and hoods give us some nice looking hoods for christ sake, so many good and great detailed gear in this game and almost all headgear looks like shit kinda strange how that turned out.
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  6. #126
    They have a good F2P model. You're not restricted as far as I can remember.

    It's just a boring game at max level.

    Your friends don't play because they don't like the game, or are playing something better.

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    Personally i stopped playing GW2 after 1,5-2 months its more then SW:TOR :P so thats a plus but for me while the game was okay. It did to me not provide the PVP i expected, i got somehow bored of SPVP almost instantly in a week of doing it which saddened me. And while WvWvW at the end was the only thing that kept me playing i somehow one day decided not to play and ever since have not played it again.

    Its a good game overall, just to me couldnt grab me. I personally need something to want to work towards and that was something gw2 did not provide. While it might be a bad mindset i just cant be *peeped* if i don't get stronger by getting new and more rare/better gear.
    While the pvp part everybody same level / fair playing ground is great to me that does not work at all in PVE. Besides this problem the PVE content which i still do not consider to include questing or the lower level open world zones just did not grip me either. I disliked the story weirdly integrated into the quest and the fact for most stuff in a zone i needed to talk with a NPC to be told in about 30 seconds what the zone was about.

    All of this is personal preferences most coming from playing wow / swtor / rift. In the end it was not a bad game at all. It just was not something me or most of the guild seemed to enjoy.

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Digglett View Post
    Are you completely oblivious to the fact we're in an economic downfall? I'm not playing Tera specifically because it has a sub. If a game isn't worth $15 a month, I will not pay, simple as that.

    I will use that $15 to buy me a hoagie instead, and then some chips, and a large soda, and I'd have $5 left for something else.
    The economy is bad for some people but not all people. I always assume that people who can afford a computer, an internet connection and can buy games probably are not suffering economically. Online games aren't for poor people. There's enough people who can afford to buy games and be online to sustain a subscription model; e.g. WOW. GW 2 is after exactly those same people. The difference is they want to nickel and dime you out of your money. I simply prefer to pay a fixed and predictable amount each month for a game I enjoy.

  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Stellan View Post
    The economy is bad for some people but not all people. I always assume that people who can afford a computer, an internet connection and can buy games probably are not suffering economically.
    Bad assumption to make. My computer was a gift (3 years ago), my (terrible) internet connection is included in my rent, and I have to save up to buy games. I'd been looking for a good online game without a subscription for awhile because sparing even $15 extra a month was challenging.

    I hate the attitude that poor people shouldn't play video games. It's my preferred choice of entertainment and most of the time online games give you the most bang for the buck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stellan View Post
    The economy is bad for some people but not all people. I always assume that people who can afford a computer, an internet connection and can buy games probably are not suffering economically. Online games aren't for poor people. There's enough people who can afford to buy games and be online to sustain a subscription model; e.g. WOW. GW 2 is after exactly those same people. The difference is they want to nickel and dime you out of your money. I simply prefer to pay a fixed and predictable amount each month for a game I enjoy.
    You know, because getting a computer for a birthday present, paying $60 ONCE (instead of you know seeing 6 movies, going out to eat and other such much more expensive forms of entertainment) and paying for Internet which everyone needs to have anyway is totally a tell tale sign that you can afford the ridiculously expensive $15 a month, you know, not like I need to buy other things, like food, or pay rent, or feed my dog...

    PS: I go to school 17hrs, work 2 jobs to pay for said schooling, so don't even go with the "get a job" bull shit, and as I said gaming for 9-10 hours on the weekend is significantly cheaper then going out drinking or going to a movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lane View Post
    Bad assumption to make. My computer was a gift (3 years ago), my (terrible) internet connection is included in my rent, and I have to save up to buy games. I'd been looking for a good online game without a subscription for awhile because sparing even $15 extra a month was challenging.

    I hate the attitude that poor people shouldn't play video games. It's my preferred choice of entertainment and most of the time online games give you the most bang for the buck.
    *high-5s* YEAH!! Poor gamers unite!!
    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    Youre in the mmo forums and you find mmos boring, Im heading on over to the twilight forums to add my unecessary and shallow 2 cents.

  11. #131
    I left a month ago. When 25% of your content just plain doesn't work, for weeks, it is time to find a game wit Devs that aren't terrible. Plus the dungeon system was beyond retarded. They couldn't make it less fun if they tried.

  12. #132
    GW2 is for sure my num 2/3 game depending on which one my friends and i will be playing on the day. But most of the time it will end up being 2's on wow. soo...

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    I wonder why B2P won't cut for GW2, while it would for games as AC/Dead Space or whatever "normal" title.

    You buy a game, and you play the game. If you happen to get free content with it isn't that like a Win=Win situation? Or did we all got greedy at some point?

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  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodhunter View Post
    Or did we all got greedy at some point?
    Since the dawn of time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodhunter View Post
    You buy a game, and you play the game. If you happen to get free content with it isn't that like a Win=Win situation?
    Sure. Generally speaking, that is how B2P games function. Despite DLC being commonplace.

    However, Guild Wars 2 is marketed as a B2P MMO directly in competition with other games of the genre such as World of Warcraft or The Old Republic. Further the developers of Guild Wars 2 have publicly stated they are going after World of Warcraft head on [Mike O'Brien, Forbes Magazine] and that their goal is to have more added content than any other MMO [Colin Johanson, Anet Blog].

    Dead Space's designers didn't openly state they were going to beat Blizzard at the MMO game or that Dead Space was going to have more content than any other B2P game. Arena.net did.

    It is within reason [and rightly so] for consumers to question the validity Guild Wars 2 in business model & content delivery.

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    And have they given cause to be concerned about that business model yet? I haven't.

  17. #137
    And have they given cause to be concerned about that business model yet?
    Yea, actually.

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    Ok then. They seem to be a pretty good pace at 3 months. I mean world of warcraft has had periods of 9 months in between content additions, so you are paying $135 to rent their game. I maintain that gw1 and gw2 are much better value than any other mmo out there.

  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Doozerjun View Post
    Ok then. They seem to be a pretty good pace at 3 months. I mean world of warcraft has had periods of 9 months in between content additions, so you are paying $135 to rent their game.
    I wasn't implying that concern of the business model is strictly centered around content addition or rapidity.

    Anet have made some decisions and introduced items & systems that belie their ability to retain players profitably.

    I maintain that gw1 and gw2 are much better value than any other mmo out there.
    Sorta incorrect to dubious here.

    I played GW1 from it's alpha to currently. The bulk of significant content was in paid expansions. Most of the updates were minor. We didn't really get a DOA or ToPK every 2-3 months. GW1, like the sequel, was not contiguous either.

    I don't mean to say the GW franchise is a poor value for the money. But certainly the degree and quality of content addition to GW1 and 2 have not eclipsed all other MMOs out there. With a couple actually eclipsing GW 1 and 2.

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    Well value in respect to time played versus money spent, there is not comparison for me. The GW franchise has trumped any other mmo. This is my own experience, I can't speak for yours.

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