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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrispotter View Post
    So bassically.. google stop you using youtube > mp3 converters then spout this crap. Bull Shiz corporation pretending they give a fux
    Well the ITU treaty being updated does have the "potential" to really screw their profit margin. Especially if things like the proposed toll on traffic crossing borders actually gets added.

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    Well, what can I say, well done Google for supporting this. Though I'm sure they're not supporting it out of their kind heart alone, still well done.

    Quote Originally Posted by N-7 View Post
    In democratic countries, it does matter A LOT.
    No, it matters in democratic countries with a high standard of living where 50%+ have computers and net.

    My country, Romania, is a "democratic" country, but if the internet users would threaten the representatives they wouldn't vote for them, they'd laugh in our face for the poor population will still vote for them for some sacks of potatoes or some money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRobin View Post
    Personally I consider the "world wide web" we have today as more of an aberration, and have been waiting for governments to start chopping it up. This seems like a perfect time to update the ITU treaty and give each government a greater role in controlling and taxing it.
    And I'm of the exact opposite view of yours. I think the internet is the only free environment that actually links people across nationality, home country, colour, race, religion etc. Sure, in some ways it can be the exact opposite, but in many ways the internet now is quite ... don't know how to say, free. It gives everyone the possibility to connect with anyone, no matter how different they are from them in so many ways or it gives a possibility for those alike to find eachother across the world.

    The internet is as free as it can be and I'd never want the corrupt pathetic gouvernments of the world to start chopping it up ever. It should live as it is(well, except in countries that censor lots of crap, where they should stop that).

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    I hear Google has steller privacy policy.

    They're basically doing everything short of sending your aunt Ruby your porn history.
    Free-To-Play is the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trakanonn View Post
    I hear Google has steller privacy policy.

    They're basically doing everything short of sending your aunt Ruby your porn history.
    You're not doing a very good job then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRobin View Post
    Personally I consider the "world wide web" we have today as more of an aberration, and have been waiting for governments to start chopping it up. This seems like a perfect time to update the ITU treaty and give each government a greater role in controlling and taxing it.
    So you basically approve of countries taxing outbound and inbound sites, putting tolls on information, and basically telling you what you can or can't do?
    You are, in fact, OK with having to pay for 98% of all the websites you visit, so that they can pay their taxes/tolls to be able to be seen in other countries?

    Well I sure as hell am not fucking OK with it, and your attitude presents me with a dilemma. See, I thought that by now most people involved in the whole internet thing are actually intelligent sentient beings, capable of seeing through blatant power/money grabs, and doing what they can to prevent it. It seems I was wrong, and gullible peasants are still a very real problem.

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    "Other proposals would require services like YouTube, Facebook, and Skype to pay new tolls in order to reach people across borders. This could limit access to information — particularly in emerging markets."

    How would this even be enforced? Its even easier to undermine than sopa would have been with DNS censoring bullshit.

    Get a vpn or proxy so that it appears you're american, congratulations, fees avoided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrispotter View Post
    So bassically.. google stop you using youtube > mp3 converters then spout this crap. Bull Shiz corporation pretending they give a fux
    Large corporations will always have many sides on many issues, after all, a corporation is made of many people. Maybe it is like the whole chick-a-chicken marketing hoax, claiming a strong stance into a hot topic to attract the masses of the area? I wouldn't be surprised if the blog was made by somebody of the marketing team, after all, it only takes one or few people to make a video, and put a youtube sticker on it.
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    The internet must seem dangerous to the governments who oppress their citizens and keep them oblivious.

    Information age? Not any more if governments can choke out unrestricted internet in their country.

    I'm already worried about China going down this road, the last thing we need is the rest of the world doing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trakanonn View Post
    I hear Google has steller privacy policy.

    They're basically doing everything short of sending your aunt Ruby your porn history.
    They also own youtube. They have plenty to lose from this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    The internet must seem dangerous to the governments who oppress their citizens and keep them oblivious.

    Information age? Not any more if governments can choke out unrestricted internet in their country.

    I'm already worried about China going down this road, the last thing we need is the rest of the world doing it.



    They also own youtube. They have plenty to lose from this.
    Google is the reason the internet isn't in the same shitty state it was back in 2000 or so.

    Beyond just the magical search engine and using their stupid amounts of money to improve youtube to the level that is today.

    And then there are other minor things like creating the world's first self driving car, mapping the world to an insane degree of accuracy and coverage and making it available to everyone for free, giving away a smart phone for literally free, breaking the monopoly in ISPs that have had the US by the balls for the entire history of the internet period by introducing 10x speeds, uncapped.

    They own so much fiber in the US its to the point they pay such a negligible amount of bandwidth they don't even mark it down any more.
    ISPs actually pay to rent google's lines.

    Their entire livelihood depends entirely on a free and uncontrolled global internet. They should be threatening boycotts and pulling out of the US if the US senate ever tries this kind of bullshit. No matter how stupid and archaic the leaders are they still know losing a MASSIVE company like google would kill their economy pretty much on the spot.


    Google's gross profit in the first quarter of 2012 was 24,717,000,000 USD

    Google's net profit in the first quarter of 2012 was 9,737,000,000 USD
    http://investor.google.com/earnings/..._earnings.html

    http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=GOOG&annual
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    Yaaaay Google! They never cease to amaze me with their greatness.

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