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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Harzaka View Post
    LFR Loot issue: Did every single LFR Boss + Sha of Fear, ALL GOLD! -_-
    Wait, you mean it's not supposed to do that? Although then had to laugh when I jumped on the Hunter and got non-tier legs from MSV which then got replaced the next day with the ones from HoF. Yay for loot, but um, could I get an item in a different slot?

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovan View Post
    I'm 99% sure you simply get loot that your class can use, offspec or mainspec. A protection Paladin guildie got intellect plate gear as well, and our Brewmaster got the 1 handed fist weapon.
    The Intellect Plate was an actual bug. You shouldn't get healer or tanking gear as dps. Look into a lot of Brewmasters that are really upset about the agility proc trinket off Elegon being DPS only. Brewmaster is also able to DW tank just fine - heck if I ever bother to get mine up lord knows I'm planning on doing so with fist weapons if I can manage.

    It would appear that while frost is the DW preferred/supported spec that since all classes of DK can DW they've extended out the loot table to allow 1-handers.

    Rather wish I could get tank drops on my Ret-paladin, so embrace the good fortune of a wider loot table!

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    Rather wish I could get tank drops on my Ret-paladin, so embrace the good fortune of a wider loot table!
    If you respec prot after killing a boss and then use a coin your coin loot will be from the prot loot table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiira View Post
    If you respec prot after killing a boss and then use a coin your coin loot will be from the prot loot table.
    Really?

    Pretty sure it's based on your assigned role in the raid not what your actual spec is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maklor View Post
    Really?

    Pretty sure it's based on your assigned role in the raid not what your actual spec is.
    No, it's whatever you are at the time.

    The normal drops just look at your current spec as well. Otherwise the loot system wouldn't know what to do with classes that have multiple dps specs that use different gear.

    I've had dps gear drop a couple of times after I queued as tank and then specced dps because the other tank knew what he was doing.
    Last edited by Shiira; 2012-11-25 at 12:26 AM.

  6. #26
    Yep. Once I got my DPS gear, I switch specs and DPS as blood spec in unholy presence with DPS gear equipped. It's a dick move, but it's the only way to get loot off some of the bosses, so it is apparently what the devs intend me to do.

    Astonishingly, I never parse bottom DPS doing this. Earlier today I came in at #5! People in LFR really suck.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoide View Post
    Yep. Once I got my DPS gear, I switch specs and DPS as blood spec in unholy presence with DPS gear equipped. It's a dick move, but it's the only way to get loot off some of the bosses, so it is apparently what the devs intend me to do.

    Astonishingly, I never parse bottom DPS doing this. Earlier today I came in at #5! People in LFR really suck.
    Hey! Don't go picking on us LFR heroes. If you really want to know how much DPS sucks play with my guild ... :-P

    Anyway, I've heard of the spec-swap trick before and may give it a whirl, but still hoping for items for my main-spec of Ret before trying to beef up my prot spec some more. As is any armor that drops is pretty much interchangeable for what I do prot for - fast cue heroics - so I don't worry about it too much.

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    Oh I'm definitively doing it as well then for the 476 stuff since I have better DPS gear at this point, but I could use a real tanking trinket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maklor View Post
    Oh I'm definitively doing it as well then for the 476 stuff since I have better DPS gear at this point, but I could use a real tanking trinket.
    Well given the newfound importance of Haste I'd say things like the Final Orders do double duty with the strength proc giving a pretty good % of parry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    Well given the newfound importance of Haste I'd say things like the Final Orders do double duty with the strength proc giving a pretty good % of parry.
    I already have had two of those drop.

    I guess I'll be DPS'ing as Blood in Unholy presence on the next Elegon LFR, he drops both a trinket and a ring and as I understand it one-handers drop for Blood DK's as well because I could use that Axe for my DPS spec.

    But tanking in master-frost gear works well as you mention

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    dks dont use "tank" weapons, so any str weapon is a weapon for any of your specs. regardless if it's optimal or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpocrates View Post
    dks dont use "tank" weapons, so any str weapon is a weapon for any of your specs. regardless if it's optimal or not
    Except it's still stupid that one handers are on the blood loot tables.

    Yes, we can use them.

    No, we shouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiira View Post
    Except it's still stupid that one handers are on the blood loot tables.

    Yes, we can use them.

    No, we shouldn't.
    Same goes for Unholy, a spec they tried so hard to prevent DW being viable in.

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    It's a little different for dps, because we have a spec that wants to dps with one handers.

    We don't have a spec that wants to tank with one handers.

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    Some people comment that "Its as intended, loot drops based on class not spec." Then people proceed to ignore this, and complain that DPS gear or weapons not usable for blood drops and that its a bug.

    There isnt anything called the "Blood Loot Table" in LFR, its the *DK Loot Table* only.
    Last edited by Cerunnir; 2012-11-26 at 12:11 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerunnir View Post
    There isnt anything called the "Blood Loot Table" in LFR, its the *DK Loot Table* only.
    Not really it's more like it's the TANK Loot Table since it's the same as other tanks get, aside from the ability to get 2handers.

  17. #37
    Let's get some facts straight, cus people are saying all kinds of wrong things:

    1- The game is now able to look at what spec you are. It does NOT look at what role you are.
    2- LFR loot is NOT based on class, it is based on spec. As a holy pally you will not get strength gear.
    3- When you switch spec, and then roll a coin, you will get loot for your new spec.

    Now why that GM replied that it's based on class not spec is beyond me, cus he is obviously WRONG. But then again GM's are pretty much uneducated school drop outs that are reading off an default answer sheet.



    On to the original point: Tank DK's getting one handers items is just STUPID. Blood tank CAN dual wield, so the game is giving them 1handers. Not that they should ever do so, but since it's an option, Blizzard has decided to be dicks and let it through.

    Similarly, Holy paladins and Resto shamans will get the offhand Fan off of Feng, even though they should clearly be using Shields and NOT offhands. But since it's an option that is still within the Holy/Resto spec, Blizzard decided to be dicks and let it through.

    In my opinion, they really need to change this bullshit, because giving people items that they are obviously not going to use is just going frustrate people even more about an already disliked loot system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rohendar View Post
    Let's get some facts straight, cus people are saying all kinds of wrong things:
    I think everyone knows that by now, not sure why you felt like posting all that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rohendar View Post
    Let's get some facts straight, cus people are saying all kinds of wrong things:

    1- The game is now able to look at what spec you are. It does NOT look at what role you are.
    2- LFR loot is NOT based on class, it is based on spec. As a holy pally you will not get strength gear.
    3- When you switch spec, and then roll a coin, you will get loot for your new spec.

    Now why that GM replied that it's based on class not spec is beyond me, cus he is obviously WRONG. But then again GM's are pretty much uneducated school drop outs that are reading off an default answer sheet.



    On to the original point: Tank DK's getting one handers items is just STUPID. Blood tank CAN dual wield, so the game is giving them 1handers. Not that they should ever do so, but since it's an option, Blizzard has decided to be dicks and let it through.

    Similarly, Holy paladins and Resto shamans will get the offhand Fan off of Feng, even though they should clearly be using Shields and NOT offhands. But since it's an option that is still within the Holy/Resto spec, Blizzard decided to be dicks and let it through.

    In my opinion, they really need to change this bullshit, because giving people items that they are obviously not going to use is just going frustrate people even more about an already disliked loot system.
    Those are the way the system is "supposed" to work, or so says some people ( and some say the complete opposite). However, it currently does not work like that. Therefore, your facts are not straight. Being told what the system does and what it actually does is appearing to be two completely different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamthedevil View Post
    Those are the way the system is "supposed" to work, or so says some people ( and some say the complete opposite). However, it currently does not work like that. Therefore, your facts are not straight. Being told what the system does and what it actually does is appearing to be two completely different things.
    Go to the Encounter Journal.

    Go to the loot drop of the boss you want to look at. See the "Specialization" drop down area? Go to that and pick your class and spec. It will filter out all the items that cannot drop for you in LFR or by using a coin, showing only your possible reward items aside from the gold caches (and quest items and so on). If you get anything but those specified items, it is not working as intended.

    I will assume that Blood DKs have the one-handers show up in the Blood DK filter, but they ought to not be there, as no Blood DK should ever dual-wield. Just like how the Elegon Agility trinket doesn't drop for Brewmaster Monks and this is frustrating for them, since it is an excellent tanking trinket for them but doesn't "count" as a tanking trinket for them.

    There was a bug where Shadow Priests were getting healing gear drops from Sha of Anger, for instance, but they said they hotfixed (or patched) this issue - implying that they intend for specific gear to be for specific specs, as it clearly shows from the Encounter Journal.

    All three of the points rohendar made are completely true.

    If you use a coin, it looks at your current spec and gives you a chance at gear appropriate for that spec - if you are rewarded an item, it will be from the corresponding section of the Encounter Journal's loot filter.

    This is based on specialization - Holy Paladin should not get Strength gear, and Enhancement Shaman should not get Intellect gear, and so on.

    It does not care what role you are. After all, you might be raiding with your guild and not have designated in-game Roles, but using a coin on these bosses still rewards you with spec-specific gear. This shows it's clearly based on specialization as the Encounter Journal says.

    This thread is about the issue that the one-handed Strength weapons are on the Blood DK table, and really shouldn't be there.

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