I think T1 should be 1800-1900 req, and T2 be 2200 still. Just my opinion though.
Disclaimer: The majority of my posts might be dripping in sarcasm. Don't take everything I say literally.
copied my post from another thread-
i really do not see a problem if blizz lowered the rating reg from 2.2 to 2k for tier 2 weapons.trying to go from 2k to 2.2k in rbgs with pugs is like hitting your head off the wall sometimes.you need to have a core group of 5-6 players to carry the pugs to 2.2k.sure you can find other good pvpers,but thats not always easy to do.then add the fact that alot of players stop pvping/sit on rating once they hit 2.2,makes it even more difficult to find good pvpers to run with.2k rating reg would give players a chance for tier 2 weapons if they start the season late or cant find a good rbg team. if your spec/class you play that season is bad,then there is no point even doing arena at all.
if players can show enough skill to hit 2k in rbgs/arena,i see no reason why they should not not be allowed tier 2 weapons.pvp in wow is not what it use to be "bc" and 2k weapons would not hurt the game at all.hell it might even cut down on rating selling/carries.2k rating reg still takes some skill to get to so "the noobs" will still not hit it,while giving mid-level pvpers a chance at better gear.
also keep the conquest earned requirement the same on tier 2 weapons.
Maybe, maybe not. It depends on what they want the weapons to mean. This season, they sure don't mean much, but in general they can. Remember that even something like "win 40 RBGS or 100 arenas" is still going to shut out some people who aren't willing to do that. My point was mostly that with the weapons being only 490, which is not a very great number in pve, they don't face the issue they've normally faced in the past. There's been seasons where heroic weapons have equalled the heroic tier weapons, and as such hard mode raiders have felt forced to run arenas for an edge in progression- this new model won't do that.I don't think the weapons should be a guarantee. A minimum amount of RBGs/arenas/etc played would guarantee them to everyone and everything eventually. That's not how it should work.
Basically, these weapons, even the 490 weapons, are pretty much pvp only, so they could change their strat without messing with pve at all. That's not to say that they should.
There's actually a thread on AJ about this, no one that posted in that thread thinks like this, in fact like everyone agrees that t2 weapons should be removed from game and the only 2200 rewards should be VISUAL ones/titles/mounts/anything that won't INCREASE the GAP between a good player and a bad player.......Exactly.This is coming from a 2600 player and I have 3 toons with t2, i think they should be baseline because in a competitive game you should beat an opponent because of skill not gear
I am not a great pvp'er and have never made the 2200+ but i love to pvp and hope to get there one day.
But removing the requirement seems silly to me.. It would be like doing a heroic raid for the normal lvl gear... Reward for effort. Harder Fights deserve Better Gear.
And my way of thinking is that if you are not T2 geared, then i doubt you will fight T2 rated players?
In other games and sports you get an handicap when you are new to help worse players compete against better players.
In World of Gankcraft, you give better gear and weapon to better player to help them gank players in normal battleground and to make it harder for the average player to win based on gear. In high rated arena gear is the same for everyone and skill is all that matters, so the only real reason to give better pvp playters better gear is so they can feel like pros when they gank lesser geared players or somwething. The whole system is very unlogic and stupid, but very profitable for Blizzard it seems.
That's the game we play.
The LOGIC thing would be that in PvP, everyone use the same gear so that SKILL is the factor on who win and NEVER gear....
But why on earth would anyone want to play pvp for the fun of playing pvp in WoW. It's all about gaining gear because playing and having fun on the same equal turns is not what we do here, no no.
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And what are the pvp players supposed to use the "better" gear for when they all have the same gear? Only time this better gear us usefull is when they fight lesser geared players, and how is that logical?Harder Fights deserve Better Gear.
Well I think, and always thought that tier 2 should be baseline due to the fact higher players don't need even more of an advantage, 2.7 Hpala here
I cant say I care personally too much but I do feel they are greatly overrated. I think what you say is true, a 2,2k player vs a 1500 would win regardless of what gear each was wearing. there is a huge gap. and that only increases with gear. and potentially even more so with this gear upgrade thing.. tier 2 + 8 ilvls.. vs honor gear. we will be tearing them up, but in other respects I think thats.. fine. Everyone on this board would have you think they are all 2.2k players.. but the simple fact is people talk alot of shit. its obvious that the majority is sub 1800. even 1500.. to hit 2.2k whilst not hard, it still is a smaller % then theyd have you believe. I dont feel ther eis a problem with people having that gear. I mean.. every battle has its generals.
I understand you must be excited and proud of your accomplishment, but know this - most t2 earned this season is basically a direct (or partially mixed) result of mmr inflation prior to the reset (mine inclusive).
While I agree they shouldn't lower the rating requirement for t2, I cant help but cringe at your outlook on the issue as a whole. I think t2 should have more of a visual difference, and less a statistical difference (compared to t1) as if you manage rating enough for the purchase of such a weapon, your skills will most likely lead to success on the battlefield - not your numbers (and illuminate all the carried and piloted idiots within our communities).
Challenge Mode Gear is a step in the right direction imo.
This one is machine and nerve, and has its mind concluded.
Oh and this exploit didnt exactly 'come to light' - EU and CN players were using it since day1 of the season, and hey, i'm sure you won 95% of your games legit and put in the effort so this is really just badluck for you bad season to start dude.
This one is machine and nerve, and has its mind concluded.