Help build Widepanic a $1500 Gaming PC

**Widepanic** · 2012-11-24, 10:47 PM

I'll be playing WoW, Diablo III, and Starcraft II when it comes out. I also will be using Adobe Illustratror, Photoshop, Fireworks, Flash, and Flash Builder. Doing web programming as well but I don't think that requires a ridiculous amount of performance. I would like a monitor and optical drive included in the $1500 budget. If a keyboard/mouse can fit in there that would be cool too. Good luck and thank you so very much!!!

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Sorry, but we don't really allow contests here. We're more than willing to help people pro bono.

**inux94** · 2012-11-24, 11:07 PM

The new bulldozers supposedly stomp upon intel when it comes to multithreaded applications.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($199.98 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100 92.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($274.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VE228H 21.5" Monitor ($134.00 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus PA238Q 23.0" Monitor ($244.80 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm Quick Fire Pro Wired Standard Keyboard ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Logitech G400 Wired Optical Mouse ($34.80 @ Amazon)
Total: $1504.47
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-24 18:05 EST-0500)

Chose a second monitor for you, it's going to be REALLY useful when you use Adobe products/web programming.
Blizzard games are more CPU intensive than GPU, so a 660ti is going to max out the games pretty well, ontop of the Cuda cores you might be using (Can't remember if Adobe programs can utilize those though.)

I don't want any prize, only the pleasure of forumming.

Deleted · 2012-11-24, 11:07 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ B&H)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($284.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Samsung S23B300B 60Hz 23.0" Monitor ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1490.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-24 18:06 EST-0500)

you might want to remove the prize part don't think it's allowed.

**Faithh** · 2012-11-24, 11:33 PM

For MMO's, it should be ALWAYS intel. MMO's dont tend to use all of the cores of a bulldozer amd while intel has better performance on a single core versus amd.

Don't go for EVGA or any reference card because they're too noisy. Try the Asus DC2 or MSI Twin frozr instead.

OCZ Vertex 4 has fine hardware but OCZ just sucks in writing proper firmware so I'll rather recommend Samsung or Crucial M4.

Try this setup:

CPU: Intel core i5 3570k ~ 200$
CPU cooler: Cooler master 212 orsomething ~ 30$
Motherboard: Asus P8z77-v ~ 140$
Memory: Corsair Lowprofile 1.6GHz 1.35V ~ 45$ -
Storage: WESTERN DIGITAL BLUE WD10EALX 1 TB ~95$
SSD: Crucial M4/Samsung 830/Samsung 840 ~90$
Graphics card: Asus gtx 660 TI DC2T top ~ 310$
Case: Your choice ~ 100$
PSU: SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold ~ 90$^
Optical Drive: Any brand ~ 15$
Monitor: Your choice ~ 140$

Price: 1255$ without OS (Newegg prices)

There's no need for an i7 at all. The i5 will do its job more than enough. The i7 is only about 25-30% faster than the i5 which isn't the 100eur worth and I'm pretty sure you won't notice much difference from the i5 and i7 in flash, ps etc.

Which you still can do is if you aren't sure if the 8GB ram is enough, just buy a 16GB kit instead of the 8GB kit.

You have around ~200$ left so you can pretty much spend this for a high-end mouse & keyboard so you have like 100eur left and decide where you want to give this out. Better monitor or better graphics card?

**inux94** · 2012-11-24, 11:37 PM

He plays 1 MMO, Bulldozer overclocks better than the IB series and can infact match the level of the 3570k.

Deleted · 2012-11-24, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by inux94

He plays 1 MMO, Bulldozer overclocks better than the IB series and can infact match the level of the 3570k.

he plays wow thus choice for intel is obvious

**inux94** · 2012-11-24, 11:42 PM

Fail

[Edited]

**Faithh** · 2012-11-25, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by inux94

Not really, if you overclock it, it can perform better than the 3570k, whereas the 3570k is a pain in the ass to overclock past 4.6 GHz

Originally Posted by inux94

He plays 1 MMO, Bulldozer overclocks better than the IB series and can infact match the level of the 3570k.

Are you really going to compare a 4.5GHz IB with a 4.5GHz Bulldozer?

First of all, the Vishera chips don't pull 5GHz easily. They require like 1.5V for 4.6GHz and will be soaking a lot from your PSU and requiring h2o.

Ib does easily 4.5GHz which is more than enough.

The fx8150 which is just an octacore but every intel fan is stating it's just a quadcore because every core shares the same components. That cpu only has 4 FPU's which isn't enough for an octacore.

The bulldozer does really max 4.6GHz so I really doubt this is going to outperform a 22nm quadcore.

To clear everything out:

Vishera FX @ 4.66GHz - Cinebench 7.95 score
i5 3570k @ 4.6GHz - Cinebench 7.59 score

Vishera per core: 7.95/8 = 0.99
i5 3570k per code: 7.59/4 = 1.90

Deleted · 2012-11-25, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by inux94

Not really, if you overclock it, it can perform better than the 3570k, whereas the 3570k is a pain in the ass to overclock past 4.6 GHz

atleast bring the right statistics for 1920x1080 instead of some scaled down setting (full ultra = full ultra not lowering certain settings)
when settings get cranked up even more the lead of intel chips only gets bigger. (also even wow barely benefits from clocking past 4,4ghz, talking in single frames pretty much)

**Faithh** · 2012-11-25, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by shroudster

atleast bring the right statistics for 1920x1080 instead of some scaled down setting (full ultra = full ultra not lowering certain settings)
when settings get cranked up even more the lead of intel chips only gets bigger. (also even wow barely benefits from clocking past 4,4ghz, talking in single frames pretty much)

During raids you really benefit clocks over 4.4GHz. WoW uses like 2 main threads so the application would max use 25%/50% of the CPU on a 2600k/2500k. A clock of 5GHz should practical/theoretically lower the cpu usage than stock clocks but in 25m raids the CPU hits it's limit even with 5GHz and so does 4.4GHz. The GPU gets it's information so much faster in that scenario with a CPU @ 5GHz which would result in higher fps though.

Another scenario: Unigine which is extremly cpu friendly, I have during the benchmark (everything @ max @ 1080p) an average cpu usage of 8% with a 5GHz OC though. But at stock clocks, the average cpu usage will just sit around 12-14% orsomething.

**vesseblah** · 2012-11-25, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by inux94

Not really, if you overclock it, it can perform better than the 3570k, whereas the 3570k is a pain in the ass to overclock past 4.6 GHz

You high or reading/thinking at all what you're typing?

3.4 -> 4.6GHz overclock for i5 would be bigger increase than 4 -> 5GHz OC for AMD, so how on earth you can make processor with weaker initial score perform better when you apply weaker OC too?

**inux94** · 2012-11-25, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by vesseblah

You high or reading/thinking at all what you're typing?

3.4 -> 4.6GHz overclock for i5 would be bigger increase than 4 -> 5GHz OC for AMD, so how on earth you can make processor with weaker initial score perform better when you apply weaker OC too?

I must admit I had no idea why I made that post, I had barely slept for the past 78 hours.

**DeltrusDisc** · 2012-11-26, 04:40 AM

Originally Posted by shroudster

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ B&H)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($284.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Samsung S23B300B 60Hz 23.0" Monitor ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1490.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-24 18:06 EST-0500)

you might want to remove the prize part don't think it's allowed.

I would consider the MSI Power Edition 660 Ti, as it will give you options to overclock better with voltage-tweaking.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127696

$275 after MIR

Also, OP, if you can afford an increase in budget, I'd try and up the power supply to at least the TX650M, so as to have at least some modular capabilities.

Also, Inux's posts are why I don't like super-long LAN parties.

Deleted · 2012-11-26, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc

I would consider the MSI Power Edition 660 Ti, as it will give you options to overclock better with voltage-tweaking.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127696

$275 after MIR

Also, OP, if you can afford an increase in budget, I'd try and up the power supply to at least the TX650M, so as to have at least some modular capabilities.

Also, Inux's posts are why I don't like super-long LAN parties.

the PSU is modular?

(or atleast that is what partpicker tells me).
yes that rebate on msi card is worth it else, since they are both very similar clocked/cooled.
also sleep deprivation one of the fun things in life inux

**Milkshake86** · 2012-11-26, 05:04 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($199.98 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100 92.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Extreme4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($93.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($98.25 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($89.33 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus VS238H-P 23.0" Monitor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm Quick Fire Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1441.48
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-26 00:04 EST-0500)

---------- Post added 2012-11-26 at 05:07 AM ----------

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/697?vs=551

For video editing and gaming this will hit the price point perfectly and give you the added power behind multithreaded tasks such as your video rendering, along w/ 16Gb of 2133 Ram for some extra oomph. Included is a good enough cpu cooler to push the 8350 to 4.7Ghz w/o a problem, I'd go for 5.0 see if you can pull it off.

Also IDK what kind of mouse you'd want so no point in showing one lol, umm but optical drives are like $16 so just grab the cheap asus drive for any build.

Deleted · 2012-11-26, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by Milkshake86

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($199.98 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100 92.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Extreme4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($93.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($98.25 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($89.33 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus VS238H-P 23.0" Monitor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm Quick Fire Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1441.48
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-26 00:04 EST-0500)

---------- Post added 2012-11-26 at 05:07 AM ----------

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/697?vs=551

For video editing and gaming this will hit the price point perfectly and give you the added power behind multithreaded tasks such as your video rendering, along w/ 16Gb of 2133 Ram for some extra oomph. Included is a good enough cpu cooler to push the 8350 to 4.7Ghz w/o a problem, I'd go for 5.0 see if you can pull it off.

Also IDK what kind of mouse you'd want so no point in showing one lol, umm but optical drives are like $16 so just grab the cheap asus drive for any build.

$50 isn't worth downgrading to a AMD cpu and gpu imo. (intel still is the way the go for gaming and wow performance wise)
budget just allows for a 660ti which is very close to the 7950 in quite some games and even had a 5fps higher in wow ultra from some charts on anandtech iirc.
one could say gpu's are about equal in performance (perhaps due to sketchy hierachy of amd vs nvidia line-up).
cpu front still has a clear winner in the benchmarks at 1080p and beyond that amd already starts looking at bad frames real fast with everything cranked up.

**murph2k** · 2012-11-26, 06:05 AM

CPU: i7-3770K (299.99 newegg.com)
CPU Cooler: CORSAIR Hydro Series H100 (89.99 newegg.com)
Motherboard: EVGA 131-IB-E695-KR Z75 SLI LGA 1155 Intel Z75 (179.99 newegg.com)
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (94.99 newegg.com)
Storage: SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128B/WW 2.5" 128GB (103.99 newegg.com)
Video Card: EVGA SuperClocked 02G-P4-2662-KR GeForce GTX 660 2GB 192-bit (229.99 newegg.com)
Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 932 (129.99 newegg.com)
Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold ((SS-650KM Active PFC F3)) 650W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready (89.99 newegg.com)
Optical Drive: ASUS 24X DVD Burner (19.99 newegg.com)
Monitor: SAMSUNG B350 Series S27B350H Transparent Red 27" 2ms (249.99 newegg.com)
Total: 1488.90

you did say you would like a keyboard mouse in that list. but well you also said it was 100% needed

but heres what id suggest.

Keyboard: Logitech G510 (59.99)
Mouse: Logitech G700 (79.99)

**murph2k** · 2012-11-26, 06:14 AM

CPU: i7-3770K 299.99 newegg.com
CPU Cooler: CORSAIR Hydro Series H100 89.99 newegg.com
Motherboard: EVGA 131-IB-E695-KR Z75 SLI LGA 1155 Intel Z75 179.99 newegg.com
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 94.99 newegg.com
Storage: SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128B/WW 2.5" 128GB 103.99 newegg.com
Video Card: EVGA SuperClocked 02G-P4-2662-KR GeForce GTX 660 2GB 192-bit 229.99 newegg.com
Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 932 129.99 newegg.com
Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold ((SS-650KM Active PFC F3)) 650W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 89.99 newegg.com
Optical Drive: ASUS 24X DVD Burner 19.99 newegg.com
Monitor: SAMSUNG B350 Series S27B350H Transparent Red 27" 2ms 249.99 newegg.com
Total: 1488.90

you did say you would like a keyboard mouse in that list. but well you also said it was 100% needed

but heres what id suggest.

Keyboard: Logitech G510 59.99
Mouse: Logitech G700 79.99

this is my first post so im not allowed to post any links.

**vesseblah** · 2012-11-26, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Milkshake86

For video editing and gaming this will hit the price point perfectly and give you the added power behind multithreaded tasks such as your video rendering, along w/ 16Gb of 2133 Ram for some extra oomph. Included is a good enough cpu cooler to push the 8350 to 4.7Ghz w/o a problem, I'd go for 5.0 see if you can pull it off.

Sorry but no. With $1500 budget it's insane to downgrade to AMD and blow a ton of cash on 2133MHz RAM when $50 more gives you i7-3770K option. When WoW is mentioned first in the list of used programs, Intel is always the right choice.

Also AMD gaming graphics card is not an option for design work either, as Adobe does not have support for OpenCL hardware rendering, only CUDA. Or at least that was the case with CS5, cba to check out CS6 product info now.

**yurano** · 2012-11-26, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by vesseblah

Sorry but no. With $1500 budget it's insane to downgrade to AMD and blow a ton of cash on 2133MHz RAM when $50 more gives you i7-3770K option.

You can always go for Samsung RAM @ $35 and play the silicon lottery. Some people have been able to OC it up to 2133 C9. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820147096

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