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    Quote Originally Posted by Amonra View Post
    But basically you are putting under scrutiny the nature itself of prophecy and fate, and in a universe like warcraft you shouldn't do that. M'uru's fate was written and he just played the part it was assigned to him, how do we know how much sense this made to him? he was a creature millennial old, elves but mayflies to him, a ripe fruit. How do we know what he feels to be reborn as a beacon of light, eternal? maybe he will outlive the blood elves, who at the end are just soldiers for the Army of Light (theres some manipulation in her, but does it matter for the good of the universe?)

    The themes here about life and death and rebirth and eternity are just to great to be affected by what might be considered "practical" to the younger races.
    Prophecy all fine and good, he can still sacrifice himself for the Sunwell, but why play it out like that on the way there. It just would've made more sense if Muru would've aided them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Because it enhances his inspirational role of self sacrifice, it more or less blew Liadrin away as she realized even though the way he had been treated he still endured. This act of selflessness is one of the most important things for them to get back on track.
    That I totally get. But it still doesn't make any sense that he didn't just actively fight the Scourge in Quel'Thalas. He basically made it harder for the Blood Elves, when the whole reason behind drawing from his powers was to make it easier. In any way it's just not believable. It doesn't make sense that a character would act that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    That means the battles against the Alliance are like 30 minutes ago to them.
    This does not invalidate my point.
    What battles against the Alliance? The ones they fought after they turned their back on the Alliance and joined their mutual enemy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    That I totally get. But it still doesn't make any sense that he didn't just actively fight the Scourge in Quel'Thalas. He basically made it harder for the Blood Elves, when the whole reason behind drawing from his powers was to make it easier. In any way it's just not believable. It doesn't make sense that a character would act that way.
    A great deal of things in wow universe make little sense, take Sylvanas actions for example, she knows she is pretty much doomed instead of laying low, maybe even disappearing for several hundred years, until most young races have forgotten most of her cruelty, she risks her neck on the battlefield.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    What battles against the Alliance? The ones they fought after they turned their back on the Alliance and joined their mutual enemy?
    My guess would be killing Garithos men, while escaping their prison.
    Last edited by Combatbulter; 2012-11-26 at 10:48 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    A great deal of things in wow universe make little sense, take Sylvanas actions for example, she knows she is pretty much doomed instead of laying low, maybe even disappearing for several hundred years, until most young races have forgotten most of her cruelty, she risks her neck on the battlefield.
    Interesting point about Sylvanas. Maybe she is an adrenaline junkie (I doubt she produces adrenaline in her current state, but the idea stands)

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    And besides, if we say that Muru wanted to teach them a lesson, if he wanted to show that even after what they did to him he would still sacrifice himself for them, you first have to admit that what the Blood Elves did was morally wrong. If what they did was justifiable Murus lesson loses its meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    And besides, if we say that Muru wanted to teach them a lesson, if he wanted to show that even after what they did to him he would still sacrifice himself for them, you first have to admit that what the Blood Elves did was morally wrong. If what they did was justifiable Murus lesson loses its meaning.
    I already did but that changes nothing, though.
    Everything can be justified, morals change constantly over the course of generations. Was it morally wrong yes, but was it necessary? The answer is yes. If one being has to die so that thousands can live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    I already did but that changes nothing, though.
    Everything can be justified, morals change constantly over the course of generations. Was it morally wrong yes, but was it necessary? The answer is yes. If one being has to die so that thousands can live.
    What if you are that one being?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    What if you are that one being?
    Honestly I would expect to be killed, would I go down quietly? Doubtful instincts are a rather strong thing ,but I would understand their reasoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    Prophecy all fine and good, he can still sacrifice himself for the Sunwell, but why play it out like that on the way there. It just would've made more sense if Muru would've aided them.
    It would have made more sense to you, but as I said, we don't know how M'uru feels about it. I tend to rather think that Naaru have different concepts of existence than the young races. For all we know, it made complete sense to him.

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