First They Added... (An Ode to Casuals)
First they added LFR. But I didn't speak out because I liked LFR.
Then they added CRZ. But I didn't speak out because I didn't care about CRZ.
Then they added dailies. But I didn't speak out because I liked dailies.
Then they added PvP. But nobody was left to speak for me.
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theres probably 5-10 other people in you're guild thats going to be on the same part, so I don't see why you couldn't just get a group going for 10 easy random wins.... honestly you don't use half of your abilities in PvE so getting in some pvp wouldn't be that bad for people who haven't done it in awhile
In a raiding situation it is pure stupidity to ignore the legendary questline. It is flat-out dumb to ignore it. There is no "Choice" because that would imply I have a CHOICE to PvP or not to complete the quest, and in this case I don't. They are forcing people into PvP because of the MASSIVE force of bots in BGs now.
They think shoving people into doing something they don't want to do will fix the botting problem, It won't. As soon as Raiders are done being forced to win 10 BG's...Which may be harder on some battlegroups than others. They will forget PvP ever existed after a heavy night of drinking.
I'm surprised at how many pvpers there are that are open to a floodgate of those who have never pvped and have negative feelings about pvp. Negative enough feelings to just afk until they get 10 wins while they watch tv.
People wanted war brought back into Warcraft. Now they get it and do nothing but complain that they have to pvp. Just afk in bgs like everyone else does these days if it bothers you that much.
Sure, you go tell your raid leader that you won't upgrade your gear because you don't want to do PvP and see how long you have a raiding spot.....then dont do it ....whoa
When people started complaining about the daily grind, or the LFR grind, I agreed that it wasn't being forced at that point. LFR loot is pretty crappy compared to actual upgrades in Normal raids, and you could easily complete MSV in dungeon blues and go from there. Same thing with Valor gear. Those two systems are used to supplement gear holes for raiders, and to help people who don't raid get some sense of progression with their character.
But the Legendary quest is not an option. For any guild. Ever. Even the most casual, we-raid-6-hours-a-week-and-only-do-normal-mode guilds would want you to get the Legendary. This is because Legendaries are the single best items in the game, and most Legendaries tend to last the rest of the expac. Our raiding guild went from having "passable" DPS to having amazing DPS when our Rogue, Warlock and Shadow Priest all got their Legendaries during Cataclysm. We went from struggling to beat enrage timers to beating them with a minute to spare. There is no denying that Legendaries are a marked improvement over any gear you will ever get in that slot for the remainder of the tier.
So yes, we are forced to get it if we want to be competitive. Hell, even ignoring the people who are in raiding guilds, how would any potential applicant look if he said that he wasn't willing to get the Legendary because he doesn't want to PvP? These PvP quests could stand as a serious roadblock in the way of any PvE player who is serious about raiding.
That's not what I said at all. We all suck at PvP, but we all do what it takes to improve our characters. Every single one of us completes LFR each week and does our required amount of Dailies needed for rep / tokens. But we never group up for any of them because there are rarely more than 3 or 4 of us online at the same time outside of raiding, and most of us have lives outside of WoW so we all have very different play times. Sure I could log on and ask the 3 people online if they wanted to do some PvP, but odds are one is probably playing the AH and the other is probably in LFR at the time.So nobody in your guild is going to PvP, but they will kick you (yes, you personally) for not getting a legendary that requires PvP?
Hell it even gets to the point where we have designated people for each profession and you just send them the mats and a letter telling them what you need and recognize that you'll get it when you get it. That's how hard it is for any two raid members to be online at the same time outside of raid hours.
EDIT: Also they would never kick me. I don't believe I ever said they would kick me, and if I did it was a mistake. I would be constantly asked why I didn't get the Legendary, lectured over and over again, and if I still showed no signs of improving my character I would lose my raiding spot.
Last edited by IxilaFA; 2012-11-27 at 07:25 PM.
Oh please, I've had to raid for a trinket just about every season as a PvPer, and that takes much longer than 10 BG wins considering the chance of looting.
One cannot simply quit wow his way into Mordor.
It's 10 BG's. Not 100, not 500, but 10. 10! If you actually try it will take 3 hours maybe.
I guess you just gotta ask yourself if winning 10 BG's is worth a legendary. I'd guess that to the vast majority it is.
It's not like they're asking you to get Glad or 2200 or something. It's 10 freakin BG's.
And it's about time it went the other way around, PVPers have been stuck farming trinkets and weapons IN RAIDS since the beginning of time.
Last edited by dercaderca; 2012-11-27 at 07:31 PM. Reason: additional infos
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You're complaining about THAT?!
Legendaries, tss, how the mighty have fallen.