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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarqa View Post
    Since you're discussing such small upgrades, don't forget that with MH your Fiend/Bender will be off the GCD. This will increase the value of the mace, and might put it ahead again (unless you already factored that in).
    Can you clarify this?

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    I Was replying to Hesp's list and the discussion about weapons. Hesp posted:

    Subtracting this value from the pp values listed in my previous post gives us the true pp amounts for each combination until upgrades are complete:

    Jin'ya - 9735.2 pp
    Kri'tak - 9749.28
    Regail - 9761.63
    I wanted to point out that while Kri'tak is equipped, your shadowfiend and mindbender no longer trigger the GCD. This adds extra dps that the other weapons don't have because you can cast the next spell faster. This is a minor dps change, but since we're talking about 12.35 PP it will probably make Kri'tak the better choice for high-end players.

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    Ah nevermind i was missing the part where the mace was removing MB from GCD i though it was only the skin change.

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    Another bonus of the staff is that it has no hit on it. I haven't done the math with a full bis yet but the possibility of having a surplus of hit on our gear once everything is upgraded is a very high. That meaning with a fully upgraded bis we will not be able to reforge enough hit off of our gear since about only 4 pieces don't have hit on them. Thus making the staff higher priority in a bis.
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    Updated to include Valor/Conquest/Honor/Justice Point upgrades (and a few other corrections).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keosen View Post
    Ah nevermind i was missing the part where the mace was removing MB from GCD i though it was only the skin change.
    So with the recent staff adjustments to add the movement bonus and sha-fiend ability, Was that added to the staff as well?

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-10 at 05:29 PM ----------

    So, was curious about it, not sure if SimC properly handles the gcd removal of MB, But this is what I got with the various options.

    Staff
    Code:
    main_hand=jinya_orb_of_the_waterspeaker,id=87170,stats=1488int_2232sta_1036haste_918crit_8521sp,gems=550int,enchant=jade_spirit,weapon=staff_3.3speed_7172min_10759max
    back=cloak_of_overwhelming_corruption,id=90512,stats=1244armor_884int_1326sta_607mastery_560haste,enchant=180int,reforge=mastery_spi
    trinket2=essence_of_terror,id=87175,stats=1401int
    trinket1=light_of_the_cosmos,id=87065,stats=1313haste,reforge=haste_crit
    finger2=fragment_of_fear_made_flesh,id=86949,stats=829int_1243sta_485hit_593crit,reforge=hit_haste
    finger1=watersoul_signet,id=90511,stats=884int_1326sta_517spi_632haste,reforge=spi_crit
    hands=guardian_serpent_gloves,id=87119,stats=1523armor_1105int_1658sta_647spi_791haste,enchant=170haste,reforge=spi_crit
    wrists=cuffs_of_the_corrupted_waters,id=90510,stats=1089armor_884int_1326sta_589spi_589mastery,enchant=170int,reforge=mastery_hit
    feet=boots_of_the_blowing_wind,id=86959,stats=1675armor_1017int_1658sta_717spi_647haste,gems=80int_160crit_60haste,enchant=140mastery,reforge=haste_hit
    legs=guardian_serpent_leggings,id=87121,stats=2132armor_1400int_2232sta_948haste_948mastery,gems=160int_60int,enchant=285int_165crit,reforge=mastery_crit
    waist=belt_of_malleable_amber,id=86981,stats=1370armor_1658sta_929int_594hit_682haste,gems=80int_160crit_80int_160spi_160int_120haste,reforge=hit_crit
    chest=guardian_serpent_raiment,id=87122,stats=2436armor_1312int_2232sta_962crit_806haste,gems=80int_160crit_80int_160crit_180haste,enchant=80all
    shoulders=shoulders_of_foaming_fluids,id=89924,stats=1827armor_1017int_1658sta_674spi_704haste,gems=80int_160crit_60int,enchant=200int_100crit,reforge=haste_hit
    neck=korvens_ambersealed_beetle,id=86976,stats=829int_1243sta_485spi_593crit,reforge=spi_haste
    head=guardian_serpent_hood,id=87120,stats=1980armor_1224int_2232sta_762crit_918mastery,gems=burning_primal_80int_160spi_180int,reforge=mastery_haste
    114030 dps

    Mace
    Code:
    off_hand=tornadosummoning_censer,id=86960,stats=829int_1243sta_420hit_630crit,enchant=165int,reforge=hit_haste
    main_hand=kritak_imperial_scepter_of_the_swarm,id=86990,stats=956sta_638int_438spi_404crit_8521sp,gems=550int,enchant=jade_spirit,reforge=spi_haste,weapon=mace_2.4speed_3385min_6287max
    back=cloak_of_overwhelming_corruption,id=90512,stats=1244armor_884int_1326sta_607mastery_560haste,enchant=180int,reforge=mastery_spi
    trinket2=essence_of_terror,id=87175,stats=1401int
    trinket1=light_of_the_cosmos,id=87065,stats=1313haste,reforge=haste_crit
    finger2=fragment_of_fear_made_flesh,id=86949,stats=829int_1243sta_485hit_593crit,reforge=hit_haste
    finger1=watersoul_signet,id=90511,stats=884int_1326sta_517spi_632haste,reforge=spi_crit
    hands=guardian_serpent_gloves,id=87119,stats=1523armor_1105int_1658sta_647spi_791haste,enchant=170haste,reforge=spi_crit
    wrists=cuffs_of_the_corrupted_waters,id=90510,stats=1089armor_884int_1326sta_589spi_589mastery,enchant=170int,reforge=spi_crit
    feet=boots_of_the_blowing_wind,id=86959,stats=1675armor_1017int_1658sta_717spi_647haste,gems=80int_160crit_60haste,enchant=140mastery,reforge=haste_hit
    legs=guardian_serpent_leggings,id=87121,stats=2132armor_1400int_2232sta_948haste_948mastery,gems=160int_60int,enchant=285int_165crit,reforge=mastery_crit
    waist=belt_of_malleable_amber,id=86981,stats=1370armor_1658sta_929int_594hit_682haste,gems=80int_160haste_80int_160spi_80int_160haste_120haste,reforge=haste_crit
    chest=guardian_serpent_raiment,id=87122,stats=2436armor_1312int_2232sta_962crit_806haste,gems=80int_160haste_80int_160haste_180haste,enchant=80all
    shoulders=shoulders_of_foaming_fluids,id=89924,stats=1827armor_1017int_1658sta_674spi_704haste,gems=80int_160haste_60int,enchant=200int_100crit,reforge=haste_crit
    neck=korvens_ambersealed_beetle,id=86976,stats=829int_1243sta_485spi_593crit,reforge=spi_haste
    head=guardian_serpent_hood,id=87120,stats=1980armor_1224int_2232sta_762crit_918mastery,gems=burning_primal_80int_160spi_180int,reforge=mastery_haste
    114498 dps

    Dagger (H-Elite)
    Code:
    off_hand=tornadosummoning_censer,id=86960,stats=829int_1243sta_420hit_630crit,enchant=165int,reforge=hit_haste
    main_hand=regails_crackling_dagger,id=90513,stats=1021sta_592int_443mastery_354crit_9093sp,gems=80int_160spi_60crit,enchant=jade_spirit,reforge=crit_spi,weapon=dagger_1.8speed_2710min_5033max
    back=cloak_of_overwhelming_corruption,id=90512,stats=1244armor_884int_1326sta_607mastery_560haste,enchant=180int,reforge=mastery_spi
    trinket2=essence_of_terror,id=87175,stats=1401int
    trinket1=light_of_the_cosmos,id=87065,stats=1313haste,reforge=haste_crit
    finger2=fragment_of_fear_made_flesh,id=86949,stats=829int_1243sta_485hit_593crit,reforge=hit_haste
    finger1=watersoul_signet,id=90511,stats=884int_1326sta_517spi_632haste,reforge=haste_crit
    hands=guardian_serpent_gloves,id=87119,stats=1523armor_1105int_1658sta_647spi_791haste,enchant=170haste,reforge=haste_crit
    wrists=cuffs_of_the_corrupted_waters,id=90510,stats=1089armor_884int_1326sta_589spi_589mastery,enchant=170int,reforge=spi_haste
    feet=boots_of_the_blowing_wind,id=86959,stats=1675armor_1017int_1658sta_717spi_647haste,gems=80int_160haste_60haste,enchant=140mastery,reforge=haste_crit
    legs=guardian_serpent_leggings,id=87121,stats=2132armor_1400int_2232sta_948haste_948mastery,gems=160int_60int,enchant=285int_165crit,reforge=mastery_crit
    waist=belt_of_malleable_amber,id=86981,stats=1370armor_1658sta_929int_594hit_682haste,gems=80int_160haste_80int_160spi_160int_120haste,reforge=hit_crit
    chest=guardian_serpent_raiment,id=87122,stats=2436armor_1312int_2232sta_962crit_806haste,gems=80int_160haste_80int_160haste_180haste,enchant=80all
    shoulders=shoulders_of_foaming_fluids,id=89924,stats=1827armor_1017int_1658sta_674spi_704haste,gems=80int_160haste_60int,enchant=200int_100crit
    neck=korvens_ambersealed_beetle,id=86976,stats=829int_1243sta_485spi_593crit,reforge=spi_haste
    head=guardian_serpent_hood,id=87120,stats=1980armor_1224int_2232sta_762crit_918mastery,gems=burning_primal_80int_160spi_180int,reforge=mastery_haste
    114584

    Dagger Non-Elite Heroic
    Code:
    off_hand=tornadosummoning_censer,id=86960,stats=829int_1243sta_420hit_630crit,enchant=165int,reforge=hit_haste
    main_hand=regails_crackling_dagger,id=87152,stats=956sta_550int_412mastery_329crit_8521sp,gems=80int_160spi_60crit,enchant=jade_spirit,reforge=mastery_spi,weapon=dagger_1.8speed_2538min_4716max
    back=cloak_of_overwhelming_corruption,id=90512,stats=1244armor_884int_1326sta_607mastery_560haste,enchant=180int,reforge=mastery_spi
    trinket2=essence_of_terror,id=87175,stats=1401int
    trinket1=light_of_the_cosmos,id=87065,stats=1313haste,reforge=haste_crit
    finger2=fragment_of_fear_made_flesh,id=86949,stats=829int_1243sta_485hit_593crit,reforge=hit_haste
    finger1=watersoul_signet,id=90511,stats=884int_1326sta_517spi_632haste,reforge=haste_crit
    hands=guardian_serpent_gloves,id=87119,stats=1523armor_1105int_1658sta_647spi_791haste,enchant=170haste,reforge=haste_crit
    wrists=cuffs_of_the_corrupted_waters,id=90510,stats=1089armor_884int_1326sta_589spi_589mastery,enchant=170int,reforge=spi_haste
    feet=boots_of_the_blowing_wind,id=86959,stats=1675armor_1017int_1658sta_717spi_647haste,gems=80int_160haste_60haste,enchant=140mastery,reforge=haste_hit
    legs=guardian_serpent_leggings,id=87121,stats=2132armor_1400int_2232sta_948haste_948mastery,gems=160int_60int,enchant=285int_165crit,reforge=mastery_crit
    waist=belt_of_malleable_amber,id=86981,stats=1370armor_1658sta_929int_594hit_682haste,gems=80int_160haste_80int_160spi_160int_120haste,reforge=hit_crit
    chest=guardian_serpent_raiment,id=87122,stats=2436armor_1312int_2232sta_962crit_806haste,gems=80int_160haste_80int_160haste_180haste,enchant=80all
    shoulders=shoulders_of_foaming_fluids,id=89924,stats=1827armor_1017int_1658sta_674spi_704haste,gems=80int_160haste_60int,enchant=200int_100crit,reforge=spi_crit
    neck=korvens_ambersealed_beetle,id=86976,stats=829int_1243sta_485spi_593crit,reforge=spi_haste
    head=guardian_serpent_hood,id=87120,stats=1980armor_1224int_2232sta_762crit_918mastery,gems=burning_primal_80int_160spi_180int,reforge=mastery_haste
    112476
    Last edited by Nestar; 2012-12-10 at 05:31 PM.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Nestar View Post
    So with the recent staff adjustments to add the movement bonus and sha-fiend ability, Was that added to the staff as well?

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-10 at 05:29 PM ----------

    So, was curious about it, not sure if SimC properly handles the gcd removal of MB, But this is what I got with the various options.
    I'm not sure if SimC does or not either, but the PP value of the MH/Staff would only go up by ~17PP with Shadowfiend and maybe ~50PP with Mindbender.

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