Man Kills Two Teens Robbers

[Themius]

i think the dude should go down hard. that said, i dont agree with this.

my grandpa has a saying that applies here i think: if someone wants to break in, they are going to get in. locks just keep honest folks honest

Yeah but when you have a security system with alarms and all that, it is a clear deterrent. This guy kept getting broken into and decided to straight kill them. Every time he got broken into there wasn't a threat to his life, and they didn't have weapons, so exactly why did he decide to kill them? It merely wasn't self defense.

[Alkin]

i think the dude should go down hard. that said, i dont agree with this.

my grandpa has a saying that applies here i think: if someone wants to break in, they are going to get in. locks just keep honest folks honest

But keep in mind, when i say crime prevention i don't necessarily mean locks or security systems or bunkers. I'm talking about educational reforms minimizing criminal activity in youth, limiting or restricting access to lethal arms, situation crime prevention like increasing patrols in high crime areas. Stuff like that. Giving someone a gun does nothing to structurally correct the issue at hand.

[Themius]

I would not kill em,i would cut off theire legs with a chainsaw so they cant rob people anymore.

You sound like that Egyptian guy on this forum who was in medical school and when he saw a looter cut the tendons in his knees. Oh you both are class acts.

[karrad]

From what it sounds like this went far beyond self defense and protection of his home and property. Maybe he was in a panicked state, or angry at the two for trying to rob him, we do not know. The fact that he shot and killed them after they were no longer a threat makes this a self defense turned into an execution, which he should be held accountable for.

[Wildtree]

What part of the rest of the world? The largest mass murder of people with guns didn't even occur in the US.

Like others said, irrelevant... But we can make a relevancy if you ask for it.....
You referring to the incident in Norway, right?
Okay.. I'm game..
Go, find the numbers of any such case starting with 5+ people killed in Norway, and in the USA. Use the last 25 year. I don't want to overstress you.
Find every mall shooting, school shooting, movies shooting etc.
Then give us the numbers and we talk again, okay?

Btw; I say 5+ just to be fair and give you somewhat of a chance that you could find a pro-US result.
You won't tho..

[Themius]

But keep in mind, when i say crime prevention i don't necessarily mean locks or security systems or bunkers. I'm talking about educational reforms minimizing criminal activity in youth, limiting or restricting access to lethal arms, situation crime prevention like increasing patrols in high crime areas. Stuff like that. Giving someone a gun does nothing to structurally correct the issue at hand.

America isn't about "correcting"

You've done bad and we "could" rehabilitate you? Ah fuck it into jail with you no rehabilitation you were a criminal so we have to show you how cruel the world is and punish you!!! You piece of scum should just be killed off for making mistakes in life that can be easily corrected with some rehabilitation.

There's crime? Oh just get a gun, so you can shoot everyone who poses a threat.

[namelessone]

Yeah but when you have a security system with alarms and all that, it is a clear deterrent. This guy kept getting broken into and decided to straight kill them. Every time he got broken into there wasn't a threat to his life, and they didn't have weapons, so exactly why did he decide to kill them? It merely wasn't self defense.

He didn't know if they had weapons or not, and he shouldn't have to wait to find out.

[Mall Security]

Everyone needs to read Minnesota Statue 609.065 before commenting again.



There's no "reasonable belief" that a teenager that has been shot and lying on the floor is in any way going to inflict any harm or commit a felony. This was murder the instant he fired again.

609.06 AUTHORIZED USE OF FORCE.
Except as otherwise provided in subdivision 2, reasonable force may be used upon or toward the person of another without the other's consent when the following circumstances exist or the actor reasonably believes them to exist:
(3) when used by any person in resisting or aiding another to resist an offense against the person

[Giants41]

He has the right to defend his home.... but yeahhh he went to far. The kids were dumb for breaking into his house but they shouldn't have been killed...

[smelltheglove]

Yeah but when you have a security system with alarms and all that, it is a clear deterrent. This guy kept getting broken into and decided to straight kill them. Every time he got broken into there wasn't a threat to his life, and they didn't have weapons, so exactly why did he decide to kill them? It merely wasn't self defense.

there was defense of property though. i think the dude very clearly crossed the line, but i personally believe in one's right to defend one's home. i have a 2 year old, if someone breaks into my home im not going to try to guess what the person's motives are, there is way too much at stake. that said, i dont have a gun or even want one. i have no problem with responsible gun ownership, or even responsible gun use. when someone is reckless or malicious they need to be prosecuted, as is happening here

[Alkin]

America isn't about "correcting"

You've done bad and we "could" rehabilitate you? Ah fuck it into jail with you no rehabilitation you were a criminal so we have to show you how cruel the world is and punish you!!! You piece of scum should just be killed off for making mistakes in life that can be easily corrected with some rehabilitation.

There's crime? Oh just get a gun, so you can shoot everyone who poses a threat.

Exactly man, the country has a huge issue if people need to hold weapons to feel safe.

[Themius]

Like others said, irrelevant... But we can make a relevancy if you ask for it.....
You referring to the incident in Norway, right?
Okay.. I'm game..
Go, find the numbers of any such case starting with 5+ people killed in Norway, and in the USA. Use the last 25 year. I don't want to overstress you.
Find every mall shooting, school shooting, movies shooting etc.
Then give us the numbers and we talk again, okay?

Btw; I say 5+ just to be fair and give you somewhat of a chance that you could find a pro-US result.
You won't tho..

25 years lol. 5+ in like 10 honestly.

Would you count public strip mall shootings into shootings? We've had in the past what 12-13 years at least AT LEAST 7 school shootings, it's much higher than that, but those are the big ones I remember. Then you have the kid who killed his gay class mate because he hit on him. The kid who killed his friend in school just because he wanted to kill

[Terridon]

What part of the rest of the world? The largest mass murder of people with guns didn't even occur in the US.

I have so many trollish comments to that, but i think i just stick to being nice.
It doesn't matter that a single case wasn't at you. If you had all the school-shootings that ever happened at you, except one, that wsa the biggerst killing, would you then use that as argument for not having a problem?

Norway got their insane massmurderer, but overall they're a very peacefull country, that havn't responded with more violence to the shooting at utöya.

I'dd rather have one very succesfull criminal, than the entire population supporting it on a smaller basis.

[Mall Security]

Exactly man, the country has a huge issue if people need to hold weapons to feel safe.

Maybe, or maybe Americans see it as their responsibility to be accountable for their own lives, rather than to have it dictated to them by their government or criminals, and in some cases one in the same.

[Rukentuts]

609.06 AUTHORIZED USE OF FORCE.
Except as otherwise provided in subdivision 2, reasonable force may be used upon or toward the person of another without the other's consent when the following circumstances exist or the actor reasonably believes them to exist:
(3) when used by any person in resisting or aiding another to resist an offense against the person

You should read the statue I linked again pal.

The intentional taking of the life of another is not authorized by section 609.06,

[lordjust]

you break into someones house, you dont deserve sympathy, yes the guy didn't need to shoot them multiple times and should have called the police after they were shot, where the kids armed?,i believe in defending your home and valuables and robbers need to be taught a big lesson and a message needs to be sent so others will think twice
notice how the link they are saying how good these kids were and how they shouldn't be demonized, its their faults for robbing

But you need to look at the situation. The old man was robbed a lot in the past year and when he saw the boy he shot him and he sure was angry because as a lot of people think they probably are the same ones that robbed him in the past. As the girl came down to look what happened to the boy he shot her and what did she do? She laughed at him and I bet everyone would get even angrier than before.

So I can understand why he did what he did and keep in mind that being robbed is an extreme situation where you will do extreme things. Just saying he should have done this and that is unrealistic because in an extreme situation you do what you think is right at the moment even if you later on think that it was wrong.

I think he did the wrong thing by killing them both but I wouldn't punish him for doing it because it was an extreme situation and as he said himself it was wrong what he did.

[Alkin]

There is also another issue that hasn't really been addressed. If you issue is safety and protecting your family, i guess that is understandable. But would you really feel safe if you lived near this guys neighbour? If you were a parent living near the guy, knowing that if you young child strays too far into the guys property, maybe trying to find a lost ball or something, the guy could react in an incredibly violent manner, as he has shown.

[Tryggve]

The article never states those two were the ones that robbed him previously.

"His brother, Bruce Smith, said that this was the latest of eight burglaries in recent years.
Byron Smith said that he suspected that the two had been responsible for at least some of those past robberies."

[Puremallace]

lol my favorite part. HELL YEAH THEY DESERVED TO DIE AND I HOPE THEY ROT IN HELL!

'Smith described it as "a good clean finishing shot",'

[Rukentuts]

"His brother, Bruce Smith, said that this was the latest of eight burglaries in recent years.
Byron Smith said that he suspected that the two had been responsible for at least some of those past robberies."

Last I heard a suspicion is not a conviction.