Well he was allowed to shoot 2 people that fucking were trying to ROB HIS HOUSE.
He was not allowed to KILL them.
Shoot them in the arm at most so that they can buzz off and go to a hospital. Or fire a warning shot.
there 17-18 and should known better then breaking into a guys house. I dont feel any sympathy for them or there fate but i do feel sympathy for friends and family that needs to suffer for there daft choices which cost them there lifes. The man should however only shoot them or attempt a kill if threatened by hes life however and i doubt those kids were murderers just being two teenagers doing something reckless and really stupid. After reading the whole story the man went for overkill he doesent seem to be alright in the head if he justified the kills like he did and should indeed go in for murder but if those two kids would be shoot dead otherwise (without it being overkill) then they got themself to blame really.
Last edited by mmoc75ff9691d6; 2012-11-27 at 02:28 PM.
personally, id consider a coup de grace a dealbreaker for a self defense strategy. luckily for him im not on the jury or he'd be fucked. unfortunately for him i suspect that enough of his jury share my view
As a left leaning white male who just purchased a handgun for home defense, I don't see the sympathy here. Home invasion/robbery/burglary is one of the lowest forms of crime IMO. If a person can't feel safe in their own home, something is very wrong. Our house was burglarized when I was young and they stripped us of everything... not only material possessions, but of our sense of security as well. Luckily we weren't home at the time, but it was traumatic for me and my parents for years after.
I do think that the home owner went overboard by dragging, "executing" them, and delaying reporting this to the authorities. There were mentions of past burglaries in the home, so you have no idea what this man would have went through. He was probably pushed past his breaking point and snapped. Like I said, if a person can't feel safe in their own home, something is very wrong. When someone forcibly enters your home, you don't have time to sit and interview them. I'm sure these young kids weren't breaking into his house to cook him a nice Thanksgiving meal. If he would have stopped when he neutralized the threat and called the authorities, this would be case closed. These kids made a grave mistake and broke into the wrong house and this is what happens. This could have been easily prevented if these kids could have just respected another person's property.
tl;dr - Don't break into someone's house and you won't get shot.
Terridon, your thought process of 'no weapons' would make more sense if that was the law from the start and everyone and their brother didn't have one already.
How about you step into the present and realize that most do have weapons, and if there was ever a law against them, only the law abiding would be effected. Every criminal would still possess a weapon.
Besides, one of our founding rights is the right to bear arms. that will never change no matter how bad of an idea you think it is.
Disgusting to see so many people trying to justify and defend execution-like second degree murder, like it's "punishment for stealing, yo!"
You have, unsurprisingly completely ignored my point. I recognize the fact that he was in potential danger, I am not standing up for the kids, im pointing out the fact that there are serious flaws in public perception if a man can use unnecessary force, killing two people, one of them a minor, simply because they were trespassing. There was a similar story where a young Chinese boy was trick-or-treating, he didn't know much english and was shot by a trigger happy guy. I'm talking about the issue on a larger scale rather than this particular story.
Calling drug addicted burglars, who robbed this guy for the 9. time, as innocent is hard stuff.Yet another case where the Castle Doctrine claimed innocent lives.
Hell, shoot to inflict maximum damage. If it kills, so be it.
But once they're no longer a threat you no longer have the right to continue injuring/killing them. He could have used a pillow to smother them for all it matters, at that point he was no longer defending himself but executing two people.
Everyone has so much to say
They talk talk talk their lives away
You have a recollection of people that directly cite the Minnesota law, yet try to snub your nose at them as you'd rather not read information but demand it be spoon-fed to you while you stand on your soapbox spewing your opinion over and over again.
Grats on having the loudest voice in the thread. /golfclap peace.