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Related to the matter the use of deadly force is unjustified AFTER THE FIRST SHOTS, because the target weren't posing a threat anymore.Originally Posted by kjcasey
And to be honest, not even in the first place as they weren't posing an imminent threat to him but that's debatable.
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2012-11-28, 07:21 PM #2941Deleted
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2012-11-28, 07:22 PM #2942Immortal
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However, what determines that that threat is neutralized? At the time, the one being threatened is who determines it. Originally Posted by Rukentuts
Sir Robin, the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Lancelot.
Who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor.
Who had almost stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol.
And who had personally wet himself, at the Battle of Badon Hill.
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2012-11-28, 07:22 PM #2943High Overlord
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And now that is up to a jury to decide if he felt the treat was no longer an issue. Not armchair quarterbacks!!!
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2012-11-28, 07:23 PM #2944Immortal
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It wasn't safe to move the boy but he did. So why would it have to be safe to move the girl? Originally Posted by Purlina
Sir Robin, the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Lancelot.
Who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor.
Who had almost stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol.
And who had personally wet himself, at the Battle of Badon Hill.
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2012-11-28, 07:23 PM #2945Banned
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"Reasonable" is used throughout the law. In the end it will come down to the jury to decide if putting a bullet into someone's head as they lie gasping for air was "reasonable" in order to defend themselves. Originally Posted by SirRobin
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2012-11-28, 07:23 PM #2946I am Murloc!
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He admitted to dragging her around before shooting her again. He wasn't afraid to grab her body and move it around... Originally Posted by kjcasey
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Safe for who? Originally Posted by SirRobin
He felt safe enough to move the body. If he felt threatened why would he move closer? Why would he risk touching the body? Obviously he didn't feel like he was in danger...Last edited by Purlina; 2012-11-28 at 07:27 PM.
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2012-11-28, 07:29 PM #2947High Overlord
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The man was clearly under duress. And can easily be dismissed by a half decent attorney
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2012-11-28, 07:29 PM #2948Bloodsail Admiral
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The reason that I, personally, would announce myself is because of the neighborhood I live in, I believe there is a near-100% chance that such an announcement would send the intruder on a pants-shitting sprint for the door. Originally Posted by Learj
Before anyone jumps all over me, READ MY OTHER POSTS. I am NOT saying that the old man should have announced himself. I don't know how many fucking disclaimers I have to include with every post in order to not be misinterpreted, but I would really appreciate it if people would not even enter this discussion without reading the majority of the thread.
Yes, I wasn't there and I don't know exactly what happened, but I have a very, very hard time believing that he had reason to consider the girl a threat after she had been shot 7 or more times and he had dragged her limp body into another room. In his deranged mind he may have thought she was still a threat, but that's not what we call reasonable, and that final shot IS what we call murder.
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2012-11-28, 07:30 PM #2949I am Murloc!
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I don't think you know what duress means.... Originally Posted by kjcasey
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2012-11-28, 07:30 PM #2950Elemental Lord
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Thats incorrect. Originally Posted by Djalil
One shot is not enough to stop the need for deadly force. I bet he could have fired 3-4 rounds into each teen and if he had left it at that, there would be no trial at all unless the family just wanted to push it.
Only when the targets were nearly unconscious would they pose no threat.
Threat was there when they broke into the home unannounced. There is no room for debate there. 2 teens against one senior adult in a community that has had a rash of break ins including his home.
He had every right to fire more than once at each target. 3 at each target at a minimum I would bet is ok.
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2012-11-28, 07:31 PM #2951High Overlord
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We cant say why he did no one can but him. Then its up to a jury of his peers.
Originally Posted by Purlina
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2012-11-28, 07:33 PM #2952DeletedAnd that's EXACTLY where the problem lies. Originally Posted by SirRobin
It is not up to him to define if he's threatened or not. That would be HELL to try and regulate by law.
Danger is an imminent threat to you. And an imminent threat is well defined.
A body lying is not an IMMINENT threat so use of deadly force on the bodies is unjustified.
Of course he can say something else but he'd be wrong and he'd go to prison.
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With, again, such a state of detachment being explainable due to him being in a state of shock at the time the statement was given. He also said "I want him dead" about the boy. Apparently in a mental state that made him unaware that the boy was already dead. Had been for over a day in fact. Originally Posted by Purlina
Sir Robin, the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Lancelot.
Who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor.
Who had almost stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol.
And who had personally wet himself, at the Battle of Badon Hill.
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2012-11-28, 07:33 PM #2954I am Murloc!
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This is a forum, not a court room. I don't see how that statement adds anything to the discussion. Originally Posted by kjcasey
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2012-11-28, 07:33 PM #2955High Overlord
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Actually you dont sir you have only your opinion
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2012-11-28, 07:34 PM #2956Warchief
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Bang bang bang bang bang. Walk over. Drag body to another location. Bang. Originally Posted by SirRobin
That last bang is what fucked him. Being able to move the body indicated the threat was neutralized.
By the way; WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU MOVE THE BODY. Stupid people do stupid things I guess. In that situation, when you fire your weapon at a home invader, as soon as the threat is down you immediately call the police, holster or place your weapon on the ground, and make sure your hands are in the air when the police show up. (And, if the invader is still alive, you should give first aid if you are so trained, but are by no means obligated to do this). You don't execute the bleeding felon and then go stack the bodies in the corner...
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2012-11-28, 07:35 PM #2957I am Murloc!
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Are you even trying to contribute to the thread? Originally Posted by kjcasey
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2012-11-28, 07:36 PM #2958High Overlord
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You took that out of context but thats ok I understand your way of thinking.
Originally Posted by Purlina
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2012-11-28, 07:36 PM #2959I am Murloc!
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SHOCK? Originally Posted by SirRobin
He waited a day...
He asked if they knew a good lawyer...
Seems like he was pretty lucid.
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2012-11-28, 07:37 PM #2960High Overlord
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Let me guess you are? What a joke!!!
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