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    Starshatter HC or Shin'ka, Execution of Dominion N

    Like topic says.
    I am wondering if extra 1% expertise (Orc racial) and 429 more strength (from legendary gem) can compesate 257 weapon DPS?
    Just before I am getting flammed about simming it by myself. Simcraft does not work for me.

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...haybuss/simple
    I know my stats are broken, way too much expertise, can't get rid of it, and considering that amount of expertise I believe Shin'ka would be better... but my question is in general, without "stats issues".

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    I do believe that the extra strength would outweigh the weapon DPS loss, but I'm not too sure.


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    I ran the math for this on the druid forums for reg Gao Rei vs H Screaming Tigers, and the sha touched weapon with the gem ended up beating out the heroic polearm by around ~700 dps, so unless stat values are radically different, I'd assume the same.

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    Sim it.

    Don't get the socket bonus on your belt if you have too much expertise.

    Do something about your gems, you never want to be using pure strength and pure haste gems. One of the stats will be better than the other. Gem the better stat and use fierce gems in the other coloured socket when appropriate.

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    tomorrow u can upgrade the axe so if you do it it will have more weapong dmg +24str and gem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiira View Post
    Sim it.

    Don't get the socket bonus on your belt if you have too much expertise.

    Do something about your gems, you never want to be using pure strength and pure haste gems. One of the stats will be better than the other. Gem the better stat and use fierce gems in the other coloured socket when appropriate.
    Armory is upgraded with new stats.

    @trazan , I can upgrade Starshatter as well.

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    yea i forgot...

    im gonna go with the axe tho

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    Every sim I've run has shown Starshatter ahead. I've even simmed just swapping out the weapons (and including the gem ofc) and artificially hit/exp capping (which gives Shin'ka a pretty big advantage considering I lose my human racial and it makes the expertise on Starshatter worthless), and Starshatter was still simming better.

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    @ Shiira Either sims are terribly wrong or you were...
    116553.5 DPS before I regemmed my character. => stat values STR: 3.02 Haste: 1.73 Crit: 1.38 Mastery: 1.1
    96420.0 DPS after I regemmed full haste, (2xhaste>1xstr) judging from previous sim. Stat values changed to STR: 2.75 Haste: 1.37 Crit: 0.86 Mastery: 0.82

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    i'd imagine if you have the legendary gem that the axe would be the better than the sword,the 429 i'd imagine outweights the loss of weapon dps, im not a huge simcrafter or theorycrafter so i may very well be wrong.
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    You're doing something weird.

    Just gemming differently won't account for a difference of anything even approaching 20k.

    Roughly 116k is what 2h frost sims in bis gear. For your gear roughly 96k sounds much more realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiira View Post
    You're doing something weird.

    Just gemming differently won't account for a difference of anything even approaching 20k.

    Roughly 116k is what 2h frost sims in bis gear. For your gear roughly 96k sounds much more realistic.
    Yep now I see... Somehow it chose t14 bis 2h frost instead of me before regemming, too bad I can't really check the difference now. Anyways back to topic.
    Some people say Shin'ka is better some that Starshatter is... any accurate answer with numbers please?

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    It will depend on your gear, but heroic starshatter is probably better in most cases, and the only real answer is to sim it.

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    did some sims when i realised u can upgrade both(silly me not thinking straight) and what i got was:

    starshatter:
    100672

    shin'ka:
    99605

    wich means its a 1k dps loss for me 2k without the legendary gem

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    Shay there's no way you were at 116k dps with you current gear. That's basically the bis set and your gear isn't close to that.

    Anways... I simmed out both for you so have at it!

    Current gear - 96771 dps - http://pastebin.com/nKz60sfS
    Current gear with str gems rather than haste gems - 96445 dps - http://pastebin.com/zRgT9dTf
    Current gear with shinka + gem if you weren't an orc - 96044 dps - http://pastebin.com/MkKwERQY
    Current gear with shinka + gem + 4 pc if you weren't an orc- 98020 dps - http://pastebin.com/Y6Ed4csC
    Current gear with shinka + gem + 4 pc as an orc - 98037 dps - http://pastebin.com/pBRjtvJA

    TLDR - Shinka + 4pc > HC Starshatter. Stop QQing about haste gems.
    Last edited by kaelleria; 2012-11-27 at 10:03 PM.

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    Weapon dps is worth almost 3 times as much as strength. Just do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Shay there's no way you were at 116k dps with you current gear. That's basically the bis set and your gear isn't close to that.

    Anways... I simmed out both for you so have at it!

    Current gear - 96771 dps - http://pastebin.com/nKz60sfS
    Current gear with str gems rather than haste gems - 96445 dps - http://pastebin.com/zRgT9dTf
    Current gear with shinka + gem if you weren't an orc - 96044 dps - http://pastebin.com/MkKwERQY
    Current gear with shinka + gem + 4 pc if you weren't an orc- 98020 dps - http://pastebin.com/Y6Ed4csC
    Current gear with shinka + gem + 4 pc as an orc - 98037 dps - http://pastebin.com/pBRjtvJA

    TLDR - Shinka + 4pc > HC Starshatter. Stop QQing about haste gems.
    Yes, I've noticed my mistake in simming, it somehow chose 2h frost bis instead of my character. Big thanks for that accurate sims, problem solved!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Shay there's no way you were at 116k dps with you current gear. That's basically the bis set and your gear isn't close to that.

    Anways... I simmed out both for you so have at it!

    Current gear - 96771 dps - http://pastebin.com/nKz60sfS
    Current gear with str gems rather than haste gems - 96445 dps - http://pastebin.com/zRgT9dTf
    Current gear with shinka + gem if you weren't an orc - 96044 dps - http://pastebin.com/MkKwERQY
    Current gear with shinka + gem + 4 pc if you weren't an orc- 98020 dps - http://pastebin.com/Y6Ed4csC
    Current gear with shinka + gem + 4 pc as an orc - 98037 dps - http://pastebin.com/pBRjtvJA

    TLDR - Shinka + 4pc > HC Starshatter. Stop QQing about haste gems.
    Wait what? Unless I'm really missing something, all you did was prove Starshatter without 4pc is worse than Shin'ka with 4pc? How are those related at all? You're missing 4pc + Starshatter. Again, unless this really just flew over my head.

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    You are 100% correct... I did forget to sim that.

    Starshatter is with 4pc sims out to 98731 dps. However, as soon as you add a second target (any cleave) the Shinka > Starshatter.

    Given that there are quite a few fights with cleave in this tier, I'd still go with Shinka over Starshatter, especially since you'll be able to upgrade it before the end of the patch.

    Anyways... I apologize for being terrible and getting ahead of myself.

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    Ah alright. No problem buddy, it happens. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't tired and reading incorrectly.

    Cleave damage is actually a good point that hadn't even crossed my mind. Considering my guild is working on Garalon and Wind Lord, I think it's definitely something to consider.

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