Keep on the topic of gun violence and quit using hypotheticals to justify yourself.
I'm of the opinion that the purchasing of guns for civillian use should be steadily made more difficult to do, with tighter restrictions being brought in alongside this. In a similar way to how smoking is slowly being made illegal, so should the ability to own and purchase firearms.
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To be fair in the comparisons of the US to say, Japan in gun violence; yes America has a higher rate due to the availability of guns. When you look at "violent crime" stats, it really wouldn't seem to be much higher. Violent crime however, varies by country in definition.. so it really isn't apples to apples.
This pains me deep to say this (I'm an oreo half white half black), but there is another reason- have you looked at the black or hispanic culture in America vs say Japan again? It's "cool" to have a body, or own an illegal gun. That doesn't say much about America, but you can't label guns as bad when honestly its the culture and people who use them.
This might be interesting to the discussion.
The focus seems to be on guns as protection in this thread, but in trying to understand the culture of gun ownership, it's important to note how big a role hunting and sport play.Male gun owners are more likely than female owners to say they use a gun for hunting (63% to 45%, respectively) or for target shooting (68% to 59%), while female owners are slightly more likely than male gun owners to use a gun for protection (74% to 63%, respectively).
Gun owners aged 18 to 49, are more likely than those aged 50 and older to say they use a gun for hunting (65% to 52%) or for target practice (74% to 58%). There are essentially no differences between younger and older gun owners who use their guns for crime protection (67% among 18- to 49-year-olds and 64% of those aged 50 and older).
Republican and Democratic gun owners are almost equally likely to say they use a gun for protection against crime, 64% to 69%, respectively. However, Republicans are more likely than Democrats to say they use a gun for target shooting (71% to 53%) or for hunting (64% to 53%).
Most of the people who replied in this thread have no brains. Guns are not the problem, people are the problem. If we took the guns away like mental people want, we would have many more knife killings and things like that. UK has strict gun laws, yes they have very few murders involving firearms but many murders involving knives and other none firearm weapons. Why the US is so much more violent and evil, goes back to the founding of America our country was brought up because of blood and violence we as a country have been in many major wars. Also the media and them glorifying violence and criminals and showing them everyday on the news and things of the such. guns are not the problem people are! its the scum of society the gangsters the people living in the ghettos who have guns and who murder with them and then little kids growing up to be like the dropping out of school to be like them and follow the same path to crime and death. then people glorifying weed as being the best thing ever and drugs being great and drinking young being awesome and if you dont do it you aren't cool. then kids want to be cool and start doing weed and causing trouble, it just goes back to society causing all the problems and turning kids into little gangster.
I hold no illusions about guns.
But you're right, discussion is always the way to go to create insight, understanding and perhaps help change something.
I do feel that the argument that guns are for self-defence is a weak one, seeing as how guns are used for crime 99.99% of the time. I have yet to see a single news report about a valid self-defence situation in which a gun owner protects his home/family or others that are in danger. Infact I've seen news reports that show how BAD people are at the latter, and how it's much more of an added risk to have every day Joe's have a gun, because in most cases they have insufficient training and will panic in a dangerous situation.
And before you say a bunch of amateurs with guns and improvised explosives can't do jack... well, what the fuck do you think we've been fighting against for damned near the entire past decade? Sure, they aren't winning... but they ain't lost, either.
We will always have crime, no matter what we do. It's a matter of making these crimes reduced and or controlled. In countries in which we have strict gun laws, we've a way of controlling and reducing crimes in such gun laws.
Owning a gun, as I've stated to the OP, never solves anything. It creates a world of distrust and suspicion. Foreigners see the US and it's citizens talk about freedoms and the rights of all, but at the same time we see your citizens arm yourselves against one another.
The argument that guns aren't the problem has a lot of holes in it. People are part of the problem, but guns the other part in that problem.
Guns should only be owned by people who:
1. Pass a mental health check. No nut jobs.
2. Pass a proper background check. (Does not have a crime/felony on them.)
3. Has take a course regarding safety, usage, etc.
4. Be over the age of 18.
(This should apply regardless of whether your gun owning is because of hunting, work or just-for-home-defence.)
I'm also from the US and am an avid gun owner. I have 9 firearms to my name, three of which I regularly take to the range and take my grouping quite seriously. I, of course, clean them as soon as I'm home before they make it back into the case. I load my own rounds for everything but the 12 gauge and have a small press/setup in the garage.
I refuse to dive into the debate about gun safety, however. Its sort of like getting a piss test for work. I know millions of people around the world have screwed up bad enough to make this mandatory, but to me it's just another hiccup we have to go through. Just like gun safety / laws. I've always had an extreme care and respect for firearms, ever since I shot my first one at 5 years old. To me, it was never a question of safety but more one of common sense. But as many have said, that's not always the case.
Just about anything in the hands of a careless/stupid person can be considered dangerous.
They are good for holding an area or pushing a front. Infantry needs armored vehicles and the armored vehicles need the infantry.
Gerilla warfare is effective only when the force you are fighting is unwilling to kill civilians. It's become an effective way of fighting because the rules of war can be exploited to your advantage.
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Yes but the difference is that a gun has no other purpose that to kill. That anything COULD be used to kill with, doesn't make a gun look any better.
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I hate to break this to you, but the American Military trains the soldiers to simply obey orders and are taught to separate personal morality from on-duty activities - the reason being that thinking morally causes delayed reactions in mission-critical moments, and a split-second moral conflict causing you to pause could mean the difference between not only your own life or death, but the life/death of your fellow soldiers as well - not to mention the success/failure of a mission.
...and before anybody starts white-knighting me saying "I/My soldier friend/relative have morales!", please read that I'm talking about ACTIVE on-duty situations. They're taught to set morality aside for THOSE situations only... not their lives as a whole. :P
the wild west was 250 years ago, the only "need " people have today for guns is so that corporations to continue profit from this billion dollar industry , everyone owning guns will always do more harm than having none .
The presence of a gun is a deterrent to crime. It's hard to accumulate statistics on that, because people don't report "Well, I decided to steal from that guy instead of the hunter across the street." I have however, seen many stories about guns used in self defense. I did a quick google search and found a website from a guy who collects these stories (hasnt been updated in a year). http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/
I understand your discomfort with guns, but it's not fair to skew the truth to fit your argument.