And as it is explained in the blogg
And again, prot paladin would never win the Sha weapon over a DPS warrior/dk (only in case that neither of them are presented in raid or don't need the weapon).So avoidance isn’t explicitly bad, but it’s definitely not as attractive as haste or mastery. It’s hard to recommend the expertise/avoidance strategy over exp/haste or exp/mastery.
But I suppose I'll bite the bullet for a bit to compare them.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=86387 is 524 strength, 786 stam, 355 hit, and 341 mastery. Tack on another 500 strength from the gem for a total of 1024 strength (1075 after Kings) and the other stats. That's equivalent to 1.129% parry before diminishing returns.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=86219 is 444 strength, 786 stam, 315 hit, and 301 mastery. The stats are lowered due to the socket, no surprise. Due to reforging and such I can say the socket can be hit but be counted as mastery rating for 320 plus the bonus for an extra 60 which leaves us with 681 mastery total. The 444 strength (466 after Kings) is .501% parry before DR.
1075 strength, 786 stam, 355 hit, 341 mastery, and 1.129% parry versus
466 strength, 786 stam, 315 hit, 681 mastery, and .489% parry which is a difference of:
609 strength, 40 hit, and .639% parry (equal to 566.13 rating) in favor of the sha weapon and
340 mastery (which is .566% mastery) in favor of the scimitar.
Or I suppose it's possible through reforging to turn the comparative excess hit on the sha weapon into mastery which returns:
609 strength and .639% parry versus
300 mastery (.5% mastery).
I'll leave that for anyone reading to decide which sounds better overall, taking into account the extra oomph strength gives SS and maybe WoG. Bit of a tough call isn't it?
And I apologize if my strength to parry conversion is a bit off since it's late and all, but it's still off across the board so there won't be much of a change if I screwed up.
Last edited by Jackalope; 2012-11-28 at 11:33 AM.
Force this matter to be discussed open in the guild and see what everyones opinion inside is about it, then make decision.
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The whole point about who deserves it more is a little moot since I think the main issue is your guild's loot rules. We're quite a casual raiding guild and generally go by a /roll, but most will check what the person they are rolling against has. We also try to spread the drops over a raid. Otherwise you may as well be pugging really. For that sword I, playing a fury warrior, would be inclined to pass to the tanks since I also have the option of some 2-handers and our guild has been horribly unlucky with str weapon drops so we all still have 463s. In general though we've actually switched to priotising dps for gearing over tanks this tier since our tanks and healers have no issues, yet we often hit enrages.
2012 still getting upset about loot rolls.
You should push for a loot council system for your guild if you can, but being in a loot roll style guild you really can't complain all too much. And you also shouldn't have needed to even bring it up on an online forum, it is a consequence of being in a guild with loot rolls. I know that because I am in a loot roll guild myself, but I have been raiding with these guys since the very end of BC and we are a very tight group so I don't really mind how the loot gets distributed.
My advice for you is do as I said earlier, push for a loot council. And if that doesn't work out it sounds like you do not have that much of a connection with you guild anyways by what it sounds like, so you can also just leave.
Fix your loot rules, simple as that. We do a need v greed system, but me and the other plate wearer (A DK) normally pass over gear that, while good for both, is much better for the other. (Example, he gave me the chest off Garalon w/ hit+crit and I gave him the 496 belt off first boss in HoF) For weapons we both roll, but we also both use a token, so that if either wins a weapon with bonus loot, we both get a weapon. If a piece is MS DPS DPS take it. If its a major upgrade for one, he normally gets it.
TL;DR, fix your loot rules.
What's the worst that can happen to you ...
http://www.wowdb.com/items/86219-sci...of-seven-stars which is a very big upgrade for the pally tank, he won the roll and tbh your complaints are selfish.
You should be going for the Sha weapon together with the Elegon axe which you already have.
Still think loot council is not a good idea. It is too subjective and it introduces things like personal likes/dislikes that inevitably will surface. And of course arguments like "he deserves it more" is bullshit IMO. Once more, if there is even one that "does not deserve loot" or "deserve loot LESS than an other" the do not bring her to raid. If you have to bring her because you have to fill the spot, tough luck; do recruit. Do not treat people like shit or promote elitism by giving loot to "someone that deserves it more...".
People should be feel safe that there is a way to get their loot and not depend on loot council mood, GM's girlfriend whines or best buddy needing the sha touched gun.
Actually, in this case, fury warrior also had his BIS off-hand drop. But considering your overall weapons, leave it to the tank. I have normal elegon + 463 heroic axe and i will still leave the sword to our tank, who has a 476 elegon axe atm. Maybe your case is a bit worse, the tank already having a 489 but since you are sporting a 483 off-hand, your in a much better place for the moment.
The point is: You want an item. You didn't get it - u nao no like teh other guy (who doesn't seem to be a useful player in the first place, if your description of him is correct).
I'm a raidleader myself and by a wide margin loot-discussions are the most useless shit of all WoW. I am raiding with a mediocre 10 guild an a complete roster of 10.5 people. OF COURSE sometimes we have a hole in the team if somebody has serious RL-issues. But all of the 10 people share the same attitude towards items and thus the distribution is a part of the raid and more a thing of "hey who needs it most?".
Nonetheless I think it is imperative that either
A) Your raid has a very strict set of rules as to who gets what loot when or
B) Your raid has a playerbase that distributes Loot by brain (we do it like that).
I assume B is no option for your raid. I assume you are rolling with a way larger roster than my raid and thus simply cannot guarantee that everybody will get his even share of the loot by simply "talking it out". So I think you will have to see if your system of loot-distribution is something that can be arranged to everybody's needs. If loot is something you care about so much as that it will spoil your experience when somebody else gets it (undeservedly), than you must make sure that the rules are bulletproof.
This way you still cannot guarantee a lootdrop just for you but you can at least arrange with the "loss" because it was "in the rules".
Talk to your GM again and present a (in your eyes) bulletproof and fair system of loot distribution and (because you care about it) volunteer to keep track of it.
This is by no means ment ironic or mean - I think loot is one of the most exciting parts in WoW but should have nothing to do with the motivation of being in a raid. I like my raid and my motivation in this raid is "killing that boss". But I know that the more people your raid has the more you have to consider the equal distribution of loot since not everybody shares the same motivations - and greed spoils theexperience for everybody (even the ones that take their motivation from killing bosses).
Last edited by Fiercon; 2012-11-29 at 12:04 PM.