I want to see someone defend Frost mages...warriors got nerfed to where we cant be viable in arena. but the mobility of mages dmg and control is so out of whack
Second note: Oneshot macros still work with t2 fully upgraded weapons and 3 stacked TfB, just get the class you're playing with to blanket silence after they trinket the shockwave instead of using gag order.
Its not about one shots... with the avatar nerf + gag order nerf theres no way to catch a mage and when you do he blinks..i get every class has a hard counter but should it really be that far sided? i still love my warrior and will continue to play him. just irritating to see a mage just lol3spells and win
says who? Did 2 seasons of underpresentation turned the community into thinking that warriors should be free kills?Warrior is not supposed to beat mages if equally skilled
While several seasons of mage viability turned them into entitled godmode status?
We should get rid of the stereotypes and then we might notice what is broken and what is not.
Warriors are still really good, so I don't see why you're complaining.
Last edited by rashen; 2012-11-28 at 10:02 PM.
warriors are still completely viable, as some one mentioned, 99% of them play with paladins or shamans who can freedom for them. having a class with that much damage and control be nigh unpeelable needed to be nerfed.
the thing with mage damage vs warrior damage, is that while mage damage is a bit unreasonably high, it is also mostly predictable, unlike warrior damage can be.
" I need a sec, my wrists hurt from spamming slam so hard. Playing cleave vs cleave is tough stuff guys"
To clarify I am not necessarily complaining about warriors being underpowered. Even though I still havent played after patch - I am expecting warriors to be very viable.
My objection was regarding several stereotypes and certain expectations, like warrior should be a free kill or a mage should faceroll a warrior.
As a warrior main - when warriors are competitive against mages at equal skill levels something is wrong.
Mages are supposed to kite warriors and disable them to hell and back. Is it frustrating? Hell yes. Does it make sense? Yeah, of course it does. Warriors enjoy high mobility, respectable survivability, and insane burst damage. Someone has to be able to prevent that. Mages are supposed to counter warriors hard.
Warriors do well against Rogues, Death Knights, Priests, and Warlocks on their own. Warriors perform moderately against Shamans, Monks, Hunters, and Paladins with a little support. In the past, Warriors had difficulty with uptime on Mage teams even with substantial help. When that suddenly changes and Warriors keep their strengths over other classes that's a problem. Gag Order and Avatar were overkill in addition to general cooldown stacking, Warriors didn't need those tools in the past to be viable. Maybe at some point we'll see a Warrior blanket silence again, but it's certainly not necessary. Warriors should still be a decent pick this season because of their burst.
Given equal skill - a Mage should almost always beat a Warrior.
Edit: I'm not going to defend Frost Mages in other scenarios. I don't have a lot of PvP experience this season and can only provide anecdotes of past experience and general game design philosophy.
Last edited by Deoxysprime; 2012-11-28 at 10:52 PM.
warriors are still on the top of the melee food chain, and mages are mages blizz developers are incompetent when it comes to pvp.
So tell me then, what class is actually a counter to a warrior if mages aren't? I can't think of one. Every class needs a counter. Hunters and ferals are pretty hard counters to mages at the moment.
Drama queen here nothing to see. Warrior "can't be viable in arena" lay the pipe down.
"Druid must be boss, Hunter is just Drain-monkey.
Hunter scatter this rogue.
Hunter drain that priest.
Hunter where is frost trap. Bad Hunter! No banana!
Hunter where is flare? No flare, you get replaced by retarded warrior!"
Not viable in arenas? Are you fucking serious? Something tells me that your one of those 1500 rated nub who whine at everything in this game. You cant global people anymore? Shit, now ur not viable anymore. Idiot.
You got a nerf to a 3 min cd, and suddenly your not viable anymore? L2p -_-