So 5.1, BM opener / 75 and lvl 90 talent choices.

[Spench]

What values are you guys using in WoWReforge, out of curiosity? I've been using ReforgeLite and didn't realize that WoWReforge could give better results.

[Kluddesu]

You know we are talking about 9 DPS (not 9K DPS) on 100K DPS level here?

Have you ever heard about lots of small rivers that will, in the end, make a grand lake?

[Tehterokkar]

What values are you guys using in WoWReforge, out of curiosity? I've been using ReforgeLite and didn't realize that WoWReforge could give better results.

I use:
Crit 2.0
Mast 1.9
Haste 1.0

Everything else at default

[Tehstool]

What values are you guys using in WoWReforge, out of curiosity? I've been using ReforgeLite and didn't realize that WoWReforge could give better results.

I just go default because haste is slightly better than mastery until a certain gear level.

[Nemesis003]

Yeah like that arguing even though you know you're wrong hence the devil's advocate. Wowreforge gives better reforges than reforelite whether you say so or not. The DEVELOPER of reforgelite also says that due to lua limitations you might not get the best reforges.



I also never say anything of the sort, I'm here to help people and tell them what would benefit them the most yet you're here to argue. There also is no other side to it... Even if you are using focus for AMoC (my) cobra shots hit for 20k and crit for 40k. With my levels of haste raid buffed i can get off 3 cobras within ~5 seconds. So 60k damage at worst and 120k damage at best for just cobra shotting, 150k for arcane shots at worse and 300k more damage at best and this is without glaive toss. So... yeah 30k damage isn't as good.

Arguing on the forums isn't a good thing, so please stop being a devil's advocate.

For example, plugging your toon into wowreforge gives you 17 crit at no cost.

actually i would lose stuff going to wow reforge, the reason for that is it bases things off armory not your in game toon, and right now armory does not read what items you have upgraded with valor making wow reforge useless.

So i wouldn't not gain 17 crit i would lose damage because of being over stated on expertise as wow reforge wanted me to reforge my gun to expertise. Reforge lite is now far better until armory looks up your upgraded items.

[Tehstool]

actually i would lose stuff going to wow reforge, the reason for that is it bases things off armory not your in game toon, and right now armory does not read what items you have upgraded with valor making wow reforge useless.

So i wouldn't not gain 17 crit i would lose damage because of being over stated on expertise as wow reforge wanted me to reforge my gun to expertise. Reforge lite is now far better until armory looks up your upgraded items.

Actually, you can just change the stats of the items in wowreforge so your argument is invalid. Any way you try turning the argument, wowreforge will come out on top.

[Nemesis003]

Actually, you can just change the stats of the items in wowreforge so your argument is invalid. Any way you try turning the argument, wowreforge will come out on top.

so take 10 times longer to get same results... good plan... whatever dude you think its the best because you don't use reforge lite correctly.

[Tehstool]

so take 10 times longer to get same results... good plan... whatever dude you think its the best because you don't use reforge lite correctly.

Again, we aren't discussing what gives you reforges and reforges your gear faster... No. We are talking about which is the best reforging tool that will give you the best stats. You just seem to be reliant on that point of speed when in reality you just can't admit you are wrong.

Edit: and reforgelite also isn't 10 times faster than wowreforge. For example, take what I said above about reforgerade being used in tandem with wowreforge. So as a min/maxer it is indeed worth it to edit the stats of a couple items to get better reforges. I still don't see why you are arguing when the evidence is there in your face.

[Nemesis003]

you miss the point where people who use reforge lite correctly get the exact same results as wow reforge much faster.

with the item upgrades you have to take the time to re-do the stats on everything you change

right now even changing the stats on my upgraded items, wow reforge costs me 200 crit and over caps me by 15 on hit... i don't even know how it loses that much crit but it does.

[Tehstool]

you miss the point where people who use reforge lite correctly get the exact same results as wow reforge much faster.

Actually, no I didn't overlook that. You are the one who is dancing around my points. Wowreforge gives better stats, period. Sure once every now and again you may get the same results but that is highly unlikely because out of all the people using reforgelite I've seen haven't had the reforges wowreforge suggested and the developer says that you are trading precision for speed. You can't dismiss that.

with the item upgrades you have to take the time to re-do the stats on everything you change

There you go again, resorting the the speed thing... This is an argument of better reforges, not speed. Reforgelite is faster, but doesn't give the reforges that wowreforge does.

Answer me one thing, why do you care so much about time yet you spend your precious time on the forums which equate to numbers exponentially higher than waht reforging with wowreforge would take?

[darkwarrior42]

@Nemesis: Do you believe that reforgelite gives equal or better stats when compared to wowreforge, yes or no? Speed doesn't matter here, as it only really matters if you're so lazy you can't be bothered to use a website that takes, at most, a few extra seconds... and even if speed does matter, that would still only be a relevant factor if reforgelite were inferior in other ways.

Or to phrase it more simply: if reforgelite gives superior stats, there's no need to bring up speed. The mere fact that you bring up speed as a relevant factor strongly implies that at best reforgelite is equal to wowreforge.... and in the realm of anecdotes, last time I tried using reforgelite, then tried the same stat weights with wowreforge, I got significantly better results from wowreforge.

[Tehstool]

@Nemesis: Do you believe that reforgelite gives equal or better stats when compared to wowreforge, yes or no? Speed doesn't matter here, as it only really matters if you're so lazy you can't be bothered to use a website that takes, at most, a few extra seconds... and even if speed does matter, that would still only be a relevant factor if reforgelite were inferior in other ways.

Or to phrase it more simply: if reforgelite gives superior stats, there's no need to bring up speed. The mere fact that you bring up speed as a relevant factor strongly implies that at best reforgelite is equal to wowreforge.... and in the realm of anecdotes, last time I tried using reforgelite, then tried the same stat weights with wowreforge, I got significantly better results from wowreforge.

It's like you are me but you can say what I say better and more concise... I love you.

[Nemesis003]

@Nemesis: Do you believe that reforgelite gives equal or better stats when compared to wowreforge, yes or no? Speed doesn't matter here, as it only really matters if you're so lazy you can't be bothered to use a website that takes, at most, a few extra seconds... and even if speed does matter, that would still only be a relevant factor if reforgelite were inferior in other ways.

Or to phrase it more simply: if reforgelite gives superior stats, there's no need to bring up speed. The mere fact that you bring up speed as a relevant factor strongly implies that at best reforgelite is equal to wowreforge.... and in the realm of anecdotes, last time I tried using reforgelite, then tried the same stat weights with wowreforge, I got significantly better results from wowreforge.

i get better or equal results with reforge lite...

[Tehstool]

right now even changing the stats on my upgraded items, wow reforge costs me 200 crit and over caps me by 15 on hit... i don't even know how it loses that much crit but it does.

You are using wowreforge wrong then buddy.

i get better or equal results with reforge lite...

I don't see how you are getting better reforges but if reforgelite works out you can get the same, but from what I've seen wowreforge is the better choice.