Just because people aren't throwing praise at the game doesn't mean they hate it. I don't really have much positive to say about MoP, but I do like Warcraft as a franchise and would like to be able to enjoy WoW again.
People who say Diablo was a flop obviously don't mean that it failed as a revenue-generation product. They mean that their expectations of how enjoyable the game would be were not met. Will that stop them from buying the D3 expansion, then D4 and D5 down the line? Only time will tell.
've is short for have. C/Sh/Would've or c/s/would have. Not c/s/would of.
Combine this with Cataclysm, and then certain decisions in MOP (its not all bad) and you have people scratching their heads wondering WTF is blizzard doing.. its repeated bad decision on top of bad decision.. somethings changed there and the players can tell.
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Last edited by MoanaLisa; 2012-12-15 at 01:02 AM.
You often see this in other areas as well. A failure to meet some exaggerated expectation is often described the same way. I've seen movies that were expected to do $80 million dollars the first week only do $60 million called flops. That's stupid.
And just to drag all of this back to the topic, WoW suffers from the same phenomenon. People beat up on the game because it's not doing as well as it did four or five years ago, an eon in gaming time. The expectations of the chronic complainers is that WoW will never get old, will always grow, people that played it for 4-8 hours a day five years ago should be doing the same now, and that any failure to meet that expectation is a good enough hook to hang their particular grievance on. Of course there will be a drop-off in activity after a few months after this long of a time. Many people, including myself very likely in 2013, drop in for a few months at a time and then reallocate their $15/month (or whatever) to another game for a few months before returning. I'm quite likely to subscribe to Rift for at least 3 months during 2013, SWTOR for probably a month or two and WoW for the rest of the months that I'm not subscribed elsewhere.
Is that a failure of the game? Some people might say so but after five years, it doesn't take as long to go through and see what's up with it, sample the stuff I want to do, try some of the newer things and then go elsewhere for a bit.
Last edited by MoanaLisa; 2012-12-15 at 01:21 AM.
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Most aren't here to bring constructive criticism, they want some sort of enforcement for why they quiet playing.
No. One. Cares.
WoW isn't the same as it was in BC. Because in classic and BC, it was fucking broken.
I enjoyed the game back then, but if I were to review it using realistic standards? It was a broken, unbalanced mess. Where barely anyone got to raid. Gap between 10m Kara and 25m Gruul and SSC. Retarded design.
PvP was decided wether you had a Resto druid or not. All through S1 to S4.
Last edited by MasterHamster; 2012-12-15 at 01:27 AM.
5:2 diet? Pft!
Weight lost since 21st of June: ~46kg/~101lb
Hell, it's about time.
Personally I think that Wrath was the best expansion. It was more casual without any doubt, but the hard content was still there if you wanted to do it. But most importantly of all, guilds were far more popular, especially because there was no LFR.
80 Fucking pages, fucking wonderfull.
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Last edited by MoanaLisa; 2012-12-15 at 08:46 AM.
I feel like downing raid bosses was more meaningful too during Wrath, for Ulduar and ICC at least, and BC/Vanilla and even through parts of Cata (Firelands). A lot of that is due to lore reasons, but LFR really has had an effect. I'll never forget that moment when our guild downed Illidan and Arthas...LFR really diminished the excitement of putting in dozens or even hundreds of wipes on a boss until finally, gloriously, that boss dies....LFR really cheapens that experience even when you go do it on normal or heroic. It's still exciting, and meaningful...but nowhere near *as* meaningful as it once was.Personally I think that Wrath was the best expansion. It was more casual without any doubt, but the hard content was still there if you wanted to do it. But most importantly of all, guilds were far more popular, especially because there was no LFR.
BC had it right as far as raid content goes, creating accessible T4 content and upping the difficulty level through to Sunwell...and no normal mode vs hardmode, no 10 man and 25 man tiers for the same raid...I understand the desire for raid accessibility but somewhere along the way I feel as though our raid experiences have been cheapened somehow. And Blizz might have thought they were doing something unique by introducing an expansion that introduces new lore instead of expanding upon old lore, as well as focusing on the Alliance vs Horde conflict, but even that seems watered down, tepid.
Maybe I've been playing this game for too long, when I think about the content I really enjoyed I'm thinking about content that is now 4-7 years old rather than content that came out a month or two ago...I really miss what this game once was, I don't care as much about sub numbers per se but when I log in and our server pop is half of what it was during BC and Wrath it makes me sad.
State of the game is potentially one of many reasons to quit the game but you can't really put it as the most influencing one since you have no proof of that (in the scale of whole community).
If this game haven't changed over years hardly anyone new will come because it would be a very bad game in current standards and the majority of people that quit would do it anyway for whatever reason. Tbh, if this game haven't changed I would quit because I was getting very tired of how exhausting and chore-like WoW started to feel and how often you were being screwed by things you could do nothing about.
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P.S. That warlock in t1 (and then t2) soloing 5 people in Tyr's Hand show pretty well how "balanced" PvP in Vanilla was :P Balanced PvP is when it's ONLY your skill that determines you winning or not. In WoW this is hardly possible. I even wonder if it's possible in mmos at all where making your toon more powerfull is the key of gameplay which automaticly creates lack of balance in any PvP ancounter (unless you have extremly strict rules of match making). In real PvP games (like Quake) people always start from the same level and someone becoming more powerfull during the gameplay come mostly from their skill and knowledge of the game.
It's startling how long this thread has gone on for.
Last edited by Osmeric; 2012-12-15 at 03:13 PM.
You notice, however, that in Wrath 10 and 25 man dropped different looking gear. Raiders claimed burn out because Blizzard "forced" them to do both 10 and 25 man each week (because nobody is personally accountable for what they do) so they now share a lockout. With LFR gear low enough that there's no benefit other than valor points, I think it's viable to have it present for accessibility and 10/25 as their own separate progression paths. I think the only problem is that LFR offers the quickest way to cap valor points, so regular raiders still see it as something they want to do regularly.
I personally think the game should have never moved to valor points giving raid gear. If LFR was drop only progression, 10 man was drop only progression, and 25 man was drop only progression you'd extend longevity like you did in BC and Wrath of each raid tier. The only downside is the hurdle if you get into raiding late, then you need a way to quickly catch up if the raid needs you to fill a slot. But that was also done during BC and Wrath (pre-T9).
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