Disc is the most overpowered healer now

[ramennoodleking]

Don't be a lazy healer, spec lightspring.

I'd argue you are the lazy healer if you spec lightspring. Drop it down, forget about it. That's lazy. Communicating with your raid as to when to use lightwell in an organized raid CD sequence requires effort. I don't disagree that lightspring is nice. Hell, I even use it often, and i feel fucking lazy doing it. But on farm fights theres no reason to be arsed into asking people to click it. But there is absolutely not even a fragment of a chance you can say it is better than lightwell. Period. Not even close.

Takes their focus off important mechanics they might otherwise not have time to look for a stupid lightwell to click
Leave them going "AMG I DONT SEE IT WTF WARE IS IT NAO????"
Just a bad idea, DPS have their own defensive cooldowns and mechanics they need to worry about, as well as melee having a big ass boss in their face cluttering up their screen. Don't be a lazy healer, spec lightspring.

Then you are playing with bad dps, or you are not communicating where the lightwell will be located, or you are simply putting it in a bad spot. You can click lightwell while channeling or casting, and since you are such an amazing player, I'm sure your guildies keybind everything, leaving them free to move their mouse to click the lightwell once or twice in an encounter.

Saying "I have been playing holy for years blah blah" THAT is talk, nothing to back up your credentials with. Hardly intimidating if you ask me.

I don't have to prove anything to you, lol, but if you would like to know, I killed LK heroic on both 10 and 25 before 4.0 made it even easier. I killed Heroic Madness US 59. I have 11 top 25 world rankings (http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/17...kings/players/) (http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/58...kings/players/) and many others beyond top 25. And that was raiding only 9-12 hours a week. I was a tank in vanilla and TBC hardcore raiding, 5 days a week. Im married now and work shift work, so I only raid 18 hours a month, but I'm still the priest I used to be. Just in a far more casual, enjoyable guild that works with my schedule.

If you really want to LFR challenge me, fine. I am confident enough in my play style that I can not only keep up with you, but walk right past you at the same time.

Then put your money where your wide-open mouth is.

It's just really hard to discuss things when its apparent you lack some really fundamental concepts of the class. This disc debacle? This has been around a long, long time. This is why I and many others would never even bother having made this thread. We've seen it over and over and over and over. Disc was OP for LK, it was OP when barrier existed and 3min DH didnt, and it was OP when Impales ate right through GS on Madness heroic.

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My epeen? Sorry, I have more experience than you do in past expansions.

Let me just add that I armoried you, and if you have more experience than me, it is most definitely not on your priest. Not a single crap is given about your progression on any other class in a conversation about priests. You simply do not have the same experience priesting that many who post here do. You may have killed alot of bosses on heroic, but it wasn't as a priest. So I'll continue taking everything you say with a large dome of salt.

[Heratix]

If you had any idea how to properly play holy to your max then you wouldn't have said any of that^

A GOOD holy priest will stance dance between inner fire/inner will as well as dancing between chakras. And rolling renews during serenity IS proper play because Serenity buffs renew!

And in a progression guild with actual good players, running old style lightwell is perfectly fine because it heals for alot more and people will actually click it. It makes a great raid cooldown.

OP: I agree though Disc is incredibly overpowering at the moment. It makes me sad that I have to spend raid night after raid night spamming prayer of healing as disc when I could be having much more fun as holy.

This is what I do on my holy priest, and I always end up at the top of the healing meters (10 man) (even before the chakra buff, with the buff I can slack a bit :P). And the lowest on overhealing. (Though meters shouldn't be the standard if bosses die.)

[HolyLathusDisc]

Lathus, you're killing me with your Lightwell comments. I had to armory you because I couldn't believe anyone who has played a priest for long would make such comments. Lightwell is a GREAT raid cool down. Before we had Lightspring it was used as a cool down by many guilds on fights like heroic Maloriak back in T11, and even as recently on heroic deathwing. Lightspring is the easy way out, and while sure it is somewhat effective, it's not like Lightwell and the addition of another raid CD for your group.

Eh, even on heroic maloriak I was being asked to go disc, atonment healing slimes in black phase = win

[Ariahna]

Eh, even on heroic maloriak I was being asked to go disc, atonment healing slimes in black phase = win

Yeah we had one disc priest on that fight just for shield spamming on the final phase, but trust me Lightwell was used by many guilds to survive the red phase.

[ramennoodleking]

Yeah we had one disc priest on that fight just for shield spamming on the final phase, but trust me Lightwell was used by many guilds to survive the red phase.

Not only that, but you could have the lightwell down during the black phase and dps would click it the whole time. It would be back up by red...rinse and repeat, and insane amounts of essentially free healing. Good golly I miss those days.

[Autumnight o suramar]

I was just reading two or so weeks ago how bad disc was now lol

[KaPe]

I was just reading two or so weeks ago how bad disc was now lol

Gee, maybe it's because they got buffed a lot. And it certainly wasn't two weeks ago.

[whoranzone]

On Empress though, don't underestimate the value of holy on that fight.

Don't know considering how hard everything hits there disc feels to me almost mandatory on that particular encounter. I mean stacking as many disc priests as possible is pretty much the best tip for everyone who is still progressing on it.

[Exploitbat]

Disc sucks in pvp though, so maybe that has something to do with the lack of nerfs.

[KaPe]

Disc sucks in pvp though, so maybe that has something to do with the lack of nerfs.

I don't think you constantly spam PoH in PvP - or stack gigantic shields by free casting for 15 seconds.

[Celar]

The thing Blizzard (and most people here) don't seem to get is: is, even if Priests have way less healing than say, Druids, they still do a lot of dps (which helps out a lot in heroic progression first week before people are geared and even later on in 10 man), have Barrier which is huge, Mana Hymn for other healers which is ALSO huge.. and can always go Holy which is simular to Resto.

Priests just provide way more raid utility/versity than any other healer as they have 2 specs.

It's also very easy to abuse.. Every tier there will be some fight where you can abuse some of the Priest abilities.

Atonement double dipping...
Lei Shi HC, damage buff + Atonement.
Atonement on Garalon (40yard buff) with the damage buff you get from legs, Protectors damage buff, Wind Lord damage buff)
And I guarantee you Void Shift will be abused in the near future aswell.
Atonement on Protectors was just utterly insane. Have never seen anything like that before. Shortening 1st phase by just a few million damage helps so much, plus the healing from it is so mana efficient. The damage in that phase is so spikey, and with Atonement being a smart heal that scales with damage buff is just insane, and Im not even joking.

If you can organize groups and positioning so that PoH will always heal 5 people, it will do way more HPS (with Archangel up) than a Resto Druid in Tree of life with Hots on the whole raid + tranq when there is contineous raid damage, and very little over healing) The difference is huge. (Yeap talking about the last phase on Protectors heroic, about 7 million difference over 70 seconds. You do the math)

Don't even get me started on ignoring game mechanics with Spirit Shell!