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    Best race for ele / enhance?

    Hey guys, so right now i'm playing a troll ele shaman in raids, and switching to enhance for certain fights with tight dps, eg heroic gara'jal. I'm also pvping as enhance (we have 2 melee so I can't be full time enhance.)

    What would the best horde race be for playing both elemental and enhancement in pve? I'm currently thinking panda is the way to go, but any advice would be appreciated

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    Easy, in PVE every class that can panda should panda.

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    TROLL!!!!!

    Orcs will fair well with Enhance, and Pandaren do get that amazing food buff.
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    I'd roll Orc tbh due to 1; Blood Fury. 2; Expertise with Axes/Fists. 3; Stun Reduction for PvP.
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    Yeah, main issue is i still want a dps boost as elemental due to it being my main spec at this time. Is blood a decent dps boost compared to berserking?
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    stick with troll beserking + ascendance = nice. it works for either spec and lets you grab echo or AS

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    I made the switch to troll myself recently because berserking is really good for burst.. both as enhance and elemental.

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    Troll is your best bet. Panda isn't very good, because its value is tied to a food buff (you lose it when you die, which will happen a lot during progression).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    Easy, in PVE every class that can panda should panda.
    Only valid for alliance, and not even for all classes.

    Both Orc and Troll easily outclass panda for throughput.

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltage View Post
    What would the best horde race be for playing both elemental and enhancement in pve? I'm currently thinking panda is the way to go, but any advice would be appreciated
    Orc and Troll are about equal for Ele, but Orc is better for enh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitwit View Post
    Troll is your best bet. Panda isn't very good, because its value is tied to a food buff (you lose it when you die, which will happen a lot during progression).
    Because guilds don't carry mass quantities of Feast or force their raiders to bring their own food? >_> I'm not disagreeing with the Horde perspective, but that is an incredibly weak argument. For Alliance, Pandaren is your best choice, unless you value the 1% Hit Rating from Draenei better than an extra 250 to the stat of your choice. In the long run, Pandaren will be better.

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    Worth mentioning that the dps boost is in the 0.3 - 0.5%, at least according to elitistjerks on Enhancemenet shamans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaintOnASign View Post
    Because guilds don't carry mass quantities of Feast or force their raiders to bring their own food? >_> I'm not disagreeing with the Horde perspective, but that is an incredibly weak argument. For Alliance, Pandaren is your best choice, unless you value the 1% Hit Rating from Draenei better than an extra 250 to the stat of your choice. In the long run, Pandaren will be better.
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    I chose Orc as Elemental because Blood Fury can be combined with Ascendance, Berserking is useless to Ascendance if you got a Haste Proc Trinket or Bl is running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    You die during an Encounter, use Reincarnation or get B-rez -> Well Fed gone.


    I chose Orc as Elemental because Blood Fury can be combined with Ascendance, Berserking is useless to Ascendance if you got a Haste Proc Trinket or Bl is running.
    Read the little ele guide book. A smart troll never uses Berserking + Lust together and he doesn`t wear a haste proc trinket that affects rotation under certain conditions.
    I know u are talking about Sha of Fear trinket but that is just flavor of this xpac start. Race is something u have through all the game. U don`t choose a race based on trinket procs ...

    Troll for ele, Orc for enhance. Panda is conditioned by staying alive to mantain racial perk and we all know that at some point u will die and ankh during encounters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gingilica View Post
    Read the little ele guide book. A smart troll never uses Berserking + Lust together and he doesn`t wear a haste proc trinket that affects rotation under certain conditions.
    Thanks for pointing out obvious stuff but i prefer to use my CD's while Ascendance and Berserking simply doesn't fit into this, that 10sec Bl outside of CD's feels like a fart in the wind because Elemental damage is pretty low outside of Cooldowns.

    And Haste Proc Trinkets never affect your rotation, simply because the only thing they do as Elemental is reducing your Casttime, nothing more.

    And Sha of Fear Hc Trinket is BiS, wouldn't you use that?
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    Why does everyone leave goblins out of the mix? Q_Q

    I can't tell you how many times I saved my own ass (and thus a wipe) with rocket jump on heroic spirit kings. IMO, that ability is worth any amount of DPS increases from any other race. Like someone said earlier, the quantifiable racials are in the < 1% range. Every time rocket jump saves you from dying, it's already destroyed every other racial in existence. And they do also get a free 1% haste buff on top.
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    Not knowing the optimal route to take during a given fight to avoid damage is, I feel, your own problem. Damage > vague possible survivability, troll for ele and orc for enhance win for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zues View Post
    Not knowing the optimal route to take during a given fight to avoid damage is, I feel, your own problem. Damage > vague possible survivability, troll for ele and orc for enhance win for me.
    Oh, give me break. You're not a god of avoiding every possible scenario of damage, and neither am I. That's like saying you shouldn't value battle rezzing classes because people should never die. And that Pandas are the highest DPS race because they should never die.

    The fact is, you're gonna fucking die. It happens. And Goblin is by far the best race for preventing those scenarios. They are at their best when you are progressing on fights, which is when you need everything you can get. You can't tell me that when you guys killed H spirit kings that there weren't times when you were chasing a shadow, avoiding a 2way flanking order, and getting ready to collapse for a maddening shout and you were like, "Omfggggg why can't I move faster?!" Or on H blade lord (you may not have done this, I guess) and you were too far away when a blade tempest went off and you had no time to run out. Or on H elegon and the raid pushed too quickly, leaving an add up when he started draw power, forcing you to stay further away from your spark to kill the add.

    There are tons of possibilities for times when rocket jump could save you and your raid, and you WILL run into them. You may not recognize them because you're not used to having it available, but you definitely start to notice them once you've played with it for a while. I would feel naked without it at this point.

    As for "damage > vague possible survivability," I already covered that. Less than 1% is not enough to care about, especially since you get a 1% haste buff from goblin as well. Subtract the DPS increase of goblin from the DPS increase of troll/orc and you're probably looking at a small fraction of a single percent. Not even close to worth caring about.

    Goblin > All
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaintOnASign View Post
    Because guilds don't carry mass quantities of Feast or force their raiders to bring their own food? >_> I'm not disagreeing with the Horde perspective, but that is an incredibly weak argument. For Alliance, Pandaren is your best choice, unless you value the 1% Hit Rating from Draenei better than an extra 250 to the stat of your choice. In the long run, Pandaren will be better.
    The OP asked for the best horde race, so the comparison to alliance races is 100% irrelevant. Troll is better than Panda for both Elemental and Enhancement. Orc is slightly better than Troll for enhancement for a patchwerk fight, but the extra utility offered by the burst cooldown partially counteracts that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eruionmel View Post
    Oh, give me break. You're not a god of avoiding every possible scenario of damage, and neither am I. That's like saying you shouldn't value battle rezzing classes because people should never die. And that Pandas are the highest DPS race because they should never die.

    The fact is, you're gonna fucking die. It happens. And Goblin is by far the best race for preventing those scenarios. They are at their best when you are progressing on fights, which is when you need everything you can get. You can't tell me that when you guys killed H spirit kings that there weren't times when you were chasing a shadow, avoiding a 2way flanking order, and getting ready to collapse for a maddening shout and you were like, "Omfggggg why can't I move faster?!" Or on H blade lord (you may not have done this, I guess) and you were too far away when a blade tempest went off and you had no time to run out. Or on H elegon and the raid pushed too quickly, leaving an add up when he started draw power, forcing you to stay further away from your spark to kill the add.

    There are tons of possibilities for times when rocket jump could save you and your raid, and you WILL run into them. You may not recognize them because you're not used to having it available, but you definitely start to notice them once you've played with it for a while. I would feel naked without it now.

    As for "damage > vague possible survivability," I already covered that. Less than 1% is not enough to care about, especially since you get a 1% haste buff from goblin as well. Subtract the DPS increase of goblin from the DPS increase of troll/orc and you're probably looking at a small fraction of a single percent. Not even close to worth caring about.

    Goblin > All
    Mad much? You even gave a shitty example of where goblin boots would be useful (what kind of retard gets hit by flanking?). And no, I'm an engineer with rocket boots, and I'm not so braindead as to position myself somewhere I'll get gibbed. Some 100+ wipes/resets kinda teaches you to look out for things.

    Good job finding one way to use a racial to move out of an easily avoidable mechanic? Troll would give you more dps on the fight as ele regardless. And you're coming off even more as kinda retarded in thinking that 1% haste will outweigh the 20% haste self buff trolls can use, DURING ASCENDANCE.

    To be honest, I used rocket boots the first maybe 20 attempts on H Spirit Kings. After that, you'd literally have to be braindead to not be able to dodge flanking, and you'd need to have incredibly shitty luck to somehow get stuck inbetween 2 flankings, an orb, and another mechanic.

    Just because you somehow can't manage to move (which confuses me, since Ele is very good on movement fights) out of simple mechanics doesn't mean goblin is better.

    Also, a Worgen's Darkflight (sprint) is better than a blink anyway.
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    Orc = Troll for Elemental IMO

    Orc > Troll for Enhancement

    Panda does sit out in front due to food buff, but at a huge chance of negating it during an encounter. You die, it's gone.

    In the end go with looks and lore, it won't make or break you.

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