Last edited by Jackmoves; 2012-12-01 at 12:30 AM.
Shit like this actually goes through your fucking brain?
I'd be ridiculously surprised if it was health care related since minors in the US have excellent access to health care in all areas as long as their parents care enough to fill out welfare forms.
Based on my own experiences I'd wager kids in the south are more likely to die early simply because their parents are basically third-world brains living in a first world country. In the more... civilized... states (pretty much everything except Alabama, Mississippi etc) I'd wager the childhood mortality rate is as low as you can realistically get.
Last edited by Laize; 2012-12-01 at 05:35 AM.
As a nurse myself I use the LCP nearly every day, the daily mail is the most disgusting paper, the most one sided, bias, vile and repulsive paper imaginable (telegraph being nt much better), the fact is there are testimonials from these doctors and families yet they are such a tiny minuscule proportion, the LCP promotes dignity in dying it is not starving and dehydrating until they turn in to husks like this article suggests.
These are the brainless comments the daily mail will make you say if you read it. I can say unequivocally that the huge majority of patients put on the lcp last between 6 hours and 2 days and most are completely unaware of surroundings/people, I have yet in 6 years of using the LCP had a family member be other than grateful for the care they receive with the LCP. The daily mail has no clue what its talking about and is just sensationalising to sell papers or attract people to read its website.This is disgusting and wrong on every level. This isn't the work of a civilized society.
Hospitals were paid in the tens of millions of pounds to meet quotas of people killed using the LCP.
I have no doubts that there are relatives and profesionals who have negative experiences and they should be looked in to case by case, but blanket bashing the LCP because of them is not the answer otherwise you end up with people like this
Noone should be thinking that years after their family members death.Having said that though these latest reports have put some doubt in my mind that my dad was necessarily ready to go at this time.
Every patient put on the LCP in my trust gets seen by one of many paliative care nurses, all have years of training and experience within hospices, palliative care has come a long long way, its not always perfect but its never going to be in such a large organisation. I have seen patients families refuse the lcp and suffer withdrawn deaths and I have seen people put on the LCP who have come off it 2 days later because unlike what this article says it is not a doctor signing a death warrant.
I'd rather have socialized medicine than have whatever it is you call it in the US.
Great, I'm alive but my insurance didn't pay out. Guess I better find a cardboard box to cover myself with because it's going to rain tonight. Yay for expensive healthcare.
It's a problem but it's not as big as everyone seems to think.
I'm saying it's not a big enough problem to say private insurance needs to go and single payer needs to come in.
I think single-payer is nothing short of price-fixing which I find to be an inherently unethical way to do things.
A) This is the daily mail, I'd take article posted on this site with a huge grain of salt.
B) All of the other sites with this story refer back to the daily mail article. With the exception of that of a british conspiracy nut who just copied the Dail Mail article (or maybe it was the other way around, both are just about the same in credibility)
Nurse here. The OP, The Daily Mail and almost everyone in this thread have absolutely no clue what they're talking about. I have seen many, many people on the LCP and cared for more people on the Pathway than I can remember.
Every single one of them was Terminally Ill, with an extremely poor prognosis in the very short term. The LCP means we focus our efforts on ensuring they pass away in a manner that is as comfortable and as pain free as possible. This is instead of continuing to perform invasive treatment (or even CPR) on someone who has no quality of life and an extremely low chance of a positive outcome.